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Here we have an entire page dedicated to put downs and silly accusations. How true that you guys can not debate me

Get real friend. Get honest If you can not get honest , you can not debate. All debate depends on honesty. Part of this thread is to address the very thing you guys do. Falsely accuse. Accuse, reframe our VERSES , and omit.

If the second coming is on the white horses (which it is)in Rev 19, then you are totally painted into a corner. IOW, You are starting your rapture theory from a total farce and position of defeat. You come in here with no verses and accuse us of the same.( IOW LIE ABOUT US IN YOUR...

Yes This is the thing. In romans 9,10,11, wexsee God will bring back the covenant Jew to Himself. She is the rebellious wife. God is after her. The GT has a purpose. The end of the Gentile church, and the plow to prepare tge hearts of the Jews for Rev 14:14. Which is the harvest of the Jews...

"Orange man bad" Huh, what did he do that was bad? " I just know he is bad." "Pretrib rapture bad" Huh, why? " I dunno it just is" Lol

His goal is to suck you into a banter of personal attacking back and forth.

HE is not "concept vs concept" He is offended at the thought that The church is raptured pretrib. That is the discussion. Pretrib rapture verses,vs, those offended at us. Their position is centered in emotions . Not verses. That is the reason for the name calling and such.

Lol "Like manner" is local, no horses, no warrior Savior, no tribulation period, nobody killed, no Antichrist army,. Exactly opposite of your theory. But fits pretrib return like a glove. You call is liars , then post a passage that makes your deal impossible and a lie. SMH Too funny.

Nope. The description is 2 separate events. No way is sitting on a cloud the exact same thing as sitting on a horse. No way is a sword a sickle. Factor in Acts 1. "Like manner" Like manner can not be postrib in any creativity you can throw at it

It is saying Jesus is in heaven, but the Jews are on earth. He will later rule with a rod. The Jews are ushered to safety. The 144k are sealed. This shows us the church is no longer on earth and God has turned to the Jewish harvest. Fits pretrib rapture like a glove

BTW...what translation is that?

The AC is given power to overcome the saints. "The end" is death. It is a blanket statement. It says in Revelation that those left behind overcome the AC by their death. When you are left behind you will face the AC. You will receive the mark or refuse. You will be martyred of take the mark...

QUOTE """Lord is indeed coming in complete vengeance on the day we are glorified in him""" Not at the rapture. Act 1 says he will return in like manner. That would be in complete error if your theory is true. The angels were way way off. Hmmmmm, but it lines up PERFECTLY with a pretrib...

Rev 14;14 is also a gathering/coming ...(of the Jews.) And that gathering is neither the rapture, or the second coming on horses. No postribber can unpack Rev 14:14 That verse alone obliterates their entire deal. All the rapture verses are against them Every single one is against their deal.

Then the Bible Iswrong Note that you are showcasing the two methods of study Which is part of my point. Your worry is cliche's over substance. Trump Trumpet Last trump Day of the Lord Then jettison every single pretrib rapture verse. But it gets worse. Every single postribber, WITHOUT...

If you belive the white horse coming is Noah, Lot, "one taken/one left" and Rev 14:14, as well as acts1, then I can not help you. Just keep pretending they are. I will show you once or twice, but it is foolish to show you what THE WORD SAYS, over and over, and watch you change it. The entire end...

Both Jesus and Paul spoke of the 2 types of BELIEVERS. You insist Both Paul and Jesus are wrong. I would say face the truth, but you are ignorant of the bible, so it would do no good. Nowhere does it say the foolish had no oil. Nowhere. You literally made that up. But you don't stop there...

Did you read the op? You got nothing....that is your point????? You don't know WHY nobody is in here???? They have a unique chance to post PROOF...BIBLICAL PROOF, THEIR DOCTRINE is from the bible. You can't do that?????

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