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Why would you want answers from someone that cannot even properly put a thesis as the reason for a thread? I don't care to answer every one of your questions...or those of anyone that is here only to argue and not have a pleasant and civil conversation.

Apparently the NT isn't sufficient Wrangler. Because there sure does seem to be A LOT of disagreement between us. IF the NT were enough.....why are we here debating what verses mean??

Oh. I thought we were discussing the 27 books. I believe the OT does refer to Mary but I feel the discussion should be in another thread. If at all.

Can't remember everything you've said Matthias. Do YOU want to make a list of everything you think the CC teaches and @asoul and I will go through it? Or, I can by myself if he doesn't have time.

Why don't you read the ECFs and then come back and tell us all what you think about it? Maybe John was right.... maybe not everything was written down. Who do YOU believe more? Some guy that made up different ideas 1,500 years after Jesus... or Those that were TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLES??

That's your opinion Wrangler. I don't agree with it. Who here said coming into contact with sin would deform the Savior's nature? No one. Who here said the sin would penetrate to His heart? No one. It's rather unfortunate that when the reformation took place....it was felt that it would be...

I can agree up to a point. I have no problem with the IC or Jesus not having brothers by Mary. I DO have a problem with the Assumption...I find no idea of it anywhere but it comes as an outgrowth of the IC and the desire to keep the body from deteriorating. Confession changed over the first few...

I tend to believe that the brothers were from a prior marriage of Joseph. Clement of Alexandria, 195AD writes that Jude was a brother of Jesus through Joseph. Origen 245AD The Protoevangelium of James (writings of James) "that the brothers of Jesus were sons of Joseph by a former wife, whom he...

You're right. What you've stated is pretty much the consensus. Some have gone so far as to say that those on the extreme left (politically) cannot even be considered to be Catholic because their belief system goes against what Jesus and all the NT teaches is necessary to be defined as...

M,,,,,,@asoul happens to be a well-informed Catholic. I was speaking about those that are not. If you rely on what individual catholics believe---you'll NEVER come to know what the church teaches.

It's one thing to deal with sinful humanity. It's another thing to be conceived in a sinful container...for lack of a better word. There was much discussion on this by the ECFs. I don't claim to know more than they did....but it does make sense to me. Here are some statements regarding the...

M,,,I think that what @asoul is saying is that no matter what Catholics say....one should still go by what the CC teaches. Very few Catholics are correctly catechesized (?). Not only that, but many Catholics I know do not believe all the dogmas that the church has declared. So what Catholics...

Ooooh. I think that's a yes! Nice thread. Will join in the morning. 1AM here. @ Behold woke me up.....

It's a work of love. Law is what the Israelites followed.

I don't even know if you're a girl or a boy! Maybe you're handsome?!

You obey God because it's required. It's impossible to repay Him except with love and obedience. You don't transgress by doing good...this is what you're supposed to do.

Now LOVE is a work of the law? Uffa. Good night. PS No conflict. Find out what BELIEVE means.

Hey B, Here I am. You've summoned me once again. Always getting me mixed up with the OP. Let's get this straight.... I'm the cute one! : )

1. Who are the rcc people? Oh. You mean the ones of whom many DIED to bring you the Christianity you're now practicing? 2. I truly doubt I'll be having any further discussions with you. You'll take this up with God and His Son when you get to heaven. 3. Your language is disgusting and an...

page 2 of 2 We all know these facts. We didn't need a saint to reveal them to us. Actually,,,,I don't know of a saint that has clarified anything but only repeats what we already know. To take it as divine revelation...as far as I'm concerned...is not a good idea. He dragged Peter with him...