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    Our generation will not die before the rapture and the return of Jesus to earth. PTL

    If I may, @David Boyer, it may be Pre-TB believers here may feel defensive because of your questions. Now, I agree with the idea that Christ taught the church we ought to spiritually prepare for all types of tribulation. Expecting to be removed beforehand is quite the opposite of what He and...
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    Poll: Tattoo artist: if a Christian daughter/son of yours worked as one, would you be supportive?

    Id look at Leviticus 19:28 28Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD One commentator said, Nor print any marks upon you.—This, according to the ancient authorities, was effected by making punctures in the skin to impress certain...
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    Poll: Tattoo artist: if a Christian daughter/son of yours worked as one, would you be supportive?

    I only saw it because you linked it. I voted no, I would not support my child in that endeavor. Live in the world, don’t be part of the world. What testimony would the child have? How do they present themselves as holy, called out, a priest of God ? Does this conflict with scripture in the OT...
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    "Why I'm Not Pre-Mil"

    I take those verses within the reign of Christ. Not after his reign is complete when all things are given up to God. I suppose that’s where we differ.
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    To answer above: If there is inconsistency, that’s not negative. We should all listen and review each word in the Bible to discern truth. We are all flesh and very capable of making mistakes. Secondly, Id hope you wouldn’t succumb to my perspective at the door but would ponder it and search it...
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    "Why I'm Not Pre-Mil"

    No sir. But from the time the bride comes till Satan is freed and then destroyed, I don’t see things as perfect. Only afterwards do I see all adversaries and rebels fully removed.
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    :) I made a mistake? I see. Well, since I took the info God’s word provided, your issue is not with me. If you fail to see the beast of the sea as the kingdom (Dan 7:23) and the 11th horn that leads this kingdom rises from the earth (Dan 7:17), and both of these are symbols that identify the...
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    "Why I'm Not Pre-Mil"

    Rev 22:14-15 is one. As one commentator says, For without are dogs,.... That is, without the holy city are such persons who are comparable to dogs for their filthiness, impudence, and voraciousness, as are persecutors, heretics, and apostates. The New Jerusalem is intended. When it comes from...
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    "Why I'm Not Pre-Mil"

    Except this: Daniel 2 In the days of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will shatter all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, but will itself stand forever. If God’s kingdom isn’t on earth, how does...
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    The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

    And what of Zephaniah 1:7 ? The DotL is near his sacrifice where he bids his guests. That isn’t until Rev 19 after he reigns in his kingdom. You can look at Ezekiel 39:17 for comparison as well. God’s wrath on the wicked doesn’t come till he reigns in his kingdom at the 7th trumpet because...
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Hello brakelite. Sorry you feel confused by what I said. Typing thoughts on an iPhone through a forum is not as good as talking. There isn’t any confusion between the two texts. In Revelation, two beasts are referred to: The beast of the sea and the beast of the earth. We learn from Daniel 7...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I see. So you think Daniel’s 70 weeks lasted beyond Christ death for another almost 2k years. How many years does Revelation describe because I’m only aware of 3.5
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    If I may, is it possible or have you given thought to this: He comes for his saints - to save and reward and they go to meet him in the air; And He returns with them as they escort him as subjects escort a New Monarch to his Kingdom Thereby, they can be both be viewed as the same event.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I have thought about this some. For me, I can’t speak for others, I don’t know if it’s literal or spiritual. I can see both somewhat and there are many reasons, too many to list in this thread. But we are to reign with him in his kingdom for 1k years. His kingdom is on earth regardless if...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I understand emotions fine. I recognize that God can be angry. I recognize Newtons 3rd law. And I recognize that an emotion can trigger a response. What you don’t understand is God’s out poured wrath is the response for his anger against sin. Tribulation is not. You confuse the two thereby...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Except Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. A thousand years translates to a millennium. 5507 xílioi – properly, a thousand...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Nope. I don’t struggle with those things. Thank you though for your loving concerns. Tribulation will always be distress. Not God’s anger or wrath. God saves us thru thlipsis. We glory in it. It strengthens us. It spiritually equips us. It allows our testimony in that day to shine like a...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    No, you are way out there. Peddling false information under the guise of God's word. Dangerous. Just admit that the definition for thlipsis doesn't mean wrath or anger. If you can't do that, provide Greek/Hebrew interlinear evidence of the transcription where "thlipsis" is defined as anger or...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    That's funny!
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    The first beast had crowns on the heads: Not any longer - per Rev 13:1, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. The first beast cannot be the horn and the first beast itself. The horns are ON the beast. Rev 13:2 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a...