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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    More mistakes in red. Isa 54:9 shows the flood was God's wrath. The word used for wrath in the KJV: qatsaph Meaning: angry (21), became angry (1), became...angry (1), become wrathful (1), enraged (1), furious (3), provoked (1), provoked him to wrath (1), provoked me to wrath (1), provoked the...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    @Taken Tribulation is NOT Wrath. Thlipsis: 2347 thlípsis – properly, pressure (what constricts or rubs together), used of a narrow place that "hems someone in"; tribulation, especially internal pressure that causes someone to feel confined (restricted, "without options"). 2347 /thlípsis...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Youre embracing falsehood and teaching lies. I Hope so. I hope it isnt Dr. Ice, Walvoord or Tim LaHaye No I cannot. Because when I see God, I see love, mercy, kindness, all forgiving. Yes, it is called the Pre-Trib theory. There is also a Pre-Wrath theory, a Post Trib theory and a Mid trib...
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Its quite scary. To think it was said, they came out from us but we’re not of us. These false prophets. The man of sin can very well be the false prophet that unites false Christianity into the beast and away from God, our Lord. After all, a falling away comes first does it not? :(
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Your wall of text is nothing more than a poor defense. You can quote scripture till your eyes bleed but without proper understanding, it falls on deaf ears. Btw, that’s not meant to upset or inflame. Walls of text are really a bad way to respond. I’ve been guilty of it myself. I gave you the...
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Well yes, but the beast of the sea is made up of peoples causing commotion and disturbances in the sea. That disturbance whether political, natural, or other like immigration, war etc..that disturbance gives the rise. The citizens or people groups affiliated use blasphemy. But I’d agree...
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    @Brakelite you can also just look at Daniel 7. The answer links with Revelation 13. 2 beasts: 1. Beast from sea 2. Beast from the earth Nations rise from the sea, not men People rise from the earth. Not nations Each beast of the sea was a Kingdom type: Babylon, Media Persia, etc Each kingdom...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    No, that is not a correct statement. God’s wrath was the flood. God’s anger and wrath isn’t tribulation. Pre-Trib can’t get it right. Transliteration: thlipsis Phonetic Spelling: (thlip'-sis) Definition: tribulation Usage: persecution, affliction, distress, tribulation. Where is wrath, anger...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    But but but, we arnt there. That’s the tribulation saints. We go off world to a mansion in the sky. Just because Paul, Steven, Christ, James, Peter, Matthew..ahh well, millions have been persecuted for our Lord, we won’t be. That was little “t”. The big “T” isn’t for us, it’s for the Jews whose...
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Thank you for your response. Though We could debate certain things said, I’d rather focus more on what you call the 1st beast. Where do you find scripture, that concludes without a doubt, the 1st beast (of the sea) is a singular man? And I believe EWQ is going to show you it or something similar...
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    I didn’t say Paul stated the man of sin is a horn. And My response was to another, I’ll wait for him. Thanks for stopping by.
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    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    I wish that was true. The man of sin is a horn. Nowhere does it say the man of sin is THE Antichrist. He could be, but it isn’t spelled out. Also, The horns are ON the beast of the sea. They are not the beast itself. But instead of explaining detail for detail, I’ll just point you to Daniel 7.
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    The Prophets told the Truth like Liars tell Lies.

    Hello Scott. Just my 2 cents my friend. The kingdom of heaven that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are seen in is the New Jerusalem. This same place is that which those who are unsaved are thrust out of. Are we not a holy priesthood now, and will be compromised of a kingdom of heaven when Christ...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You’re right, in that the topic is appropriate. But, It’s some of the responses that are childish. A Christian would welcome anyone to listen, not to say “maybe you shouldn’t be here”. Asking those that are childish to behave (without naming them) is a lesson in respect and love. I hope you can...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    This thread: It’s Premillennialism…. No, it’s Amillennialism… No, I’m right… No, you’re wrong. I’m right. Na uh! Grr…grrr… (Children! Behave!)
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Thank you! It warms my spirit to see someone else understand that they are 2 separate narratives yet both consisting of the same creation event. In each, detail is given a little here and a little there. I understand some may have never understood it that way, but that is how it’s written. Thank...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Ive said before, @Timtofly got more flip flops than a Florida beach. He’s all over the place and will not stay on subject. His ideas (notice I said his) are scary.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The creation account is specific. Genesis 1:26-28 refutes any thought that man or women is created as the first beings after the 7th day. Gen 1:28 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Read post #2861 again. The whole of this second narrative (Ch. 2) is pre-eminently anthropomorphic.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Now you’re nit picking my words to try and disprove scripture? So, let me specify. Adam was created first. Eve was created after Adam. Gen 1:26-27 show male and female were created on the 6th day. The Lord rested after all was good and finished on the 7th day. If you say Adam was created on the...