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I disagree. "Elohim" is a reference to the pantheon of Canaanite gods that the ancient Israelites believed existed (a la Psalm 82) -- and NOT the reason we are to be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Just because you believe in the Trinity (so do I) and...

Did you not see my qualifying language "whose parents are residents at the time"? Your hypothetical posited nonresident foreigners.

You haven't read my post with adequate care. I said Your humanitarian ship example -- even if that ship were considered "American soil" -- won't qualify the baby as a natural born citizen of the United States.

Not to derail the conversation, but Second Peter's reference to the Greek mythological word ταρταρώσ is yet another reason to suppose that the author was not Peter himself, i.e., that the letter was pseudographical.

I see Col. 1:15-16 differently. I view "firstborn of all creation" as a declaration of primacy over creation rather than a statement about the Son itself being created. "Firstborn" (πρωτότοκος) is used again two verses later in Col. 1:18. where the Son is referred to as "firstborn of the dead."...

Point taken. I should mention that I believe all scripture -- OT and NT -- to be inspired and useful for all of the things Paul mentions to Timothy in 2 Tim. 3:16. My sole point is that I don't think Paul intended his use of graphē in that verse to refer to NT writings (some of which did not...

I see it differently. I look at verse 15's "sacred writings" reference as in pari materia with verse 16's "scripture" reference. 15 and how from childhood you have known the sacred writings that are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is inspired...

I didn't say soil was the only consideration, hence my reference to the Harvard Law Review article on how foreign born persons can also be deemed natural born citizens. If we are going to have an intelligent discussion on this, you'll need to read my posts with more care. Again, if you want to...

And I have answered you in post #91. PM me if you want to discuss further.

Well, the Fordham Law Review article I cited was not composed by law students, but by a law professor. Many law review articles are quite erudite and comprehensive, and are regularly relied on by courts. When I was a student at Cornell Law School in the 1970s that was certainly true.

Except for the American-born child of a foreign diplomat (this is a complex question of International law that I don't have time to get into), I say a "natural born citizen" is any person born on American soil whose parents are residents at the time (whether or not those parents are also...

Sure. The three qualifications are found in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that...

I'm familiar with the book you quote from, Benjamin Wilkinson's Truth Triumhant: The Church in the Wilderness. It documents numerous instances where -- in the same community -- Saturday was observed as a day of rest in accordance with old Sabbath custom, while Sunday was set aside for worship...

It is not a qualification for being President that a person born on American soil have parents who are U.S. citizens.

That fact is irrelevant to the citizenship of their American-born kids.

Svante Pääbo won the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine for proving the opposite. Some light reading for you: Fossil DNA: on the trail of human evolution - Polytechnique Insights

Methinks you and Teddy Boy should read United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898): "the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here...

Seriously? Why would I try to impress someone anonymously? It makes no sense. I am on this site trying to have edifying discussions about Scripture. The "foolish point" you reference is actually one we might agree on, since I share your view that "none of these [inconsistencies} matter" --...

I'm just not understanding your continual reference to a letter other than the sole letter I THOUGHT we were discussing: 2 Tim. 3:16, where Paul DOES mention graphē (= Scripture). Can you please focus on Second Timothy and nothing else for a moment? What did Paul mean by graphē here? I say...

I never said that "natural born citizen" appears in the 14th Amendment. That's your phrase. What do you think it means, and why do you think Kamala and Obama don't qualify.?