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  1. PinSeeker

    PAST-Millennialism

    Only the righteous will be co-heirs with Christ in eternity, in the new heaven and new earth. The unrighteous... yes. Right, your understandings and opinions, some of which I disagree with. Well I have... This is how it (God's millennium) progresses... is progressing. Agree. This is what...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    The first resurrection of Acts 26:26 is a different resurrection entirely from the first resurrection of Revelation 20:6. The physical resurrection of Christ Jesus is obviously in view in Acts 26:23, but the first resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6 is the resurrection from death in sin of each...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    ... continued: LOL! I don't even know what this means... :) Is this all you have to say in response to the passages I cited? Perhaps you could explain why you think they... don't clearly say what they clearly say... :) Ah! Well, good question, but I would answer it with a question. Two...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    LOL! I can see where this is going already... Yes... No, that will be when Jesus comes back, after the conclusion of the millennium, and after the final Judgment. The millennium is completed when all of God's Israel has been saved, when temple He has been building ~ us, all those in...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    You know, not to hijack this thread and make it into something other than what it originally was, but... :) Not sure who you are referring to as "anti-millennialists," but in reading passages like the following... "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus...
  6. PinSeeker

    PAST-Millennialism

    Right... This is really a general misunderstanding of how John's Revelation is structured. What we are to see here in Revelation 12:12 is the defeat of Satan in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ (see also Colossians 2:15 and John 12:31). The end of the millennium and then Satan's...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    Right, I agree. But we don't know the expiration date, as it hasn't come yet... but may be very close. The millennium is the fullness of God's time in bringing His elect into His Israel. This is the time in which (as Jeremiah said was then still to come, but surely coming) God is now putting...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    It is what it is. The problem with not being able to link the two is not understanding God's millennium as a fullness or completeness of time ~ the full span of our time God has appointed to bring His Israel to completion ~ rather than a literal 1,000 year period. Well, that Satan would be...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    Well, I wouldn't say it's gibberish or that it doesn't make sense, but that it is based on flawed premises. Among other things: If we say of this "PAST-millennialism" that the millennium expired and was finished at the First Resurrection of Christ and that it began with Solomon's temple in...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Well, I would submit that it's about both, Retrobyter. And ours with Him, as all the saints, over the course of the millennium, are coming to life and reigning with Christ (Revelation 20:4). We know that Christ was King at His first coming, at His birth (we sing it every Christmas), and He...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Oh, yeah... I mean, I can't speak for anybody else, really, but I think we all get that loud and clear. :) I surely do... :) I agree with what you say here, but the understanding that that is concurrent with the millennium is the issue. See directly above. Yes. Yes. Question here, David...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    LOL! There's some things here that we would at least be close to agreeing on, and some not so much. But just to this very last thing, here Randy, as I was clear in saying before. both your A and B here are correct; the only clarification I would make is the A is in part, the B is... will be...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Well, so you're questioning the authenticity of their Christianity, the genuineness of their conversion to Christ. And that's fine; if they are truly converted, it will at some point manifest itself in deed... the fruit of the spirit and good works. Hmm, well, in a sense, I don't disagree, but...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Hmm... I might assert that they can't truly experience the powers of Christ, but okay. There is what we call common grace, and, for these folks, yes, they can experience the outward benefits of fellowship with the saints, but they are not truly regenerate and in Christ as we are. Ah, well, I...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Ugh; well, this is an interesting response, if nothing else... :) I'm not even going to try to follow your... um, well,.. your trains of "thought" anymore, Timtofly. :) As long as you continue to think the events described in Revelation 20:1-6 are chronologically subsequent to the events of...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Right. Resolved. :) Except ~ and you may agree ~ the unsaved never were alive spiritually. Right. Resolved. :) But again, the unsaved never were alive spiritually. Adam and Eve did indeed die that very day in Genesis 3 (albeit spiritually, but not yet physically, when Eve was deceived...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    He didn't "leave it out." The 'but' is indicating a contrast, so there is a different reality after the millennium for the sinner, the one who still dwells in his/her sin. This person, the one not in Christ, one of the ones on Christ's left in the final Judgment, as Jesus depicts graphically...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Good; that's settled. Good; that's settled. Well, our bodies, along with the rest of creation, are made new. Certainly, God can reconstitute our bodies; he made man from dust ~ Genesis 2:7 ~ in the first place, right? And then, in view of the fall, God says to Adam, "By the sweat of your...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Sure it is. But when someone replies or addresses someone individually by quoting them, then it's a smaller exchange between the two... into which anyone can interject, for sure, but still, it is what it is. But yeah, you have ghosted me several times. Hey, if we were actually in a room all...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Sure. Absolutely. Ah, well, that seems to indicate a misunderstanding of what it means to be dead. In the Bible, Randy, being dead is a state of being. And the dead ~ you're right ~ will not enter into Christ's Kingdom... the New Heaven and New Earth. They will not be co-heirs with Christ...