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I agree with what you're saying here and view this the same way.

Yes, I strongly encourage you to not go around in circles about it if you believe God does not want you to. I personally believe God wants me to go around in circles about this, if necessary, but probably leans more toward me allocating my time and energy effectively on people who are open to...

Provided that Judas was given the authority to do what only a believer has the authority to do means he was given a spiritual gift regardless of whether or not he exercised it. Since Judas was actually a believer like the other apostles, it's strong evidence that they all did what Jesus...

Paul wasn't the 12th apostle, but rather the 13th, according to Acts 1:26, because that was Matthias. 26Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias. So he was added to the eleven apostles. Paul wasn't even born yet by the time Jesus was telling the 12 they would receive eternal life...

It's all over the gospels. In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus taught that those who do not do the Father's will, regardless of their performance of miracles, something only a true believer can do (Mark 16:17) that they will be rejected. Genuine obedience is required for salvation. This does not...

Who was Jesus speaking to when he answered Peter, saying they would sit on 12 thrones, judge the tribes of Israel, and inherit eternal life? "The 12" are always the 12 disciples in the synoptic gospels. That would include Judas being told he would receive eternal life, but he didn't receive it...

Do you believe all of the verses in the Bible about people falling from grace, losing their sin sacrifice, or losing their salvation? A yes or no is fine. They exist. I won't debate that specific point with you in his limited atonement thread.

If one believes that cannot lost their salvation they may not even be aware they have. So I can understand why someone wouldn't mention it. Even if they did, they might not want to be public about it. It's a deeply personal matter. On that note, yes I have lost my salvation before but God is...

Those who lack genuine relationship with Jesus can still be true believers anointed with miracle power, but have no love for Jesus. Thus it's possible to believe in Jesus and offer lip service by calling him Lord, but not show genuine love by keeping his commandments. Thus they are workers of...

In Matthew 10:1-4, Judas was specifically granted authority to cast out demons and to heal the sick just like the other apostles and that authority was specifically mentioned by Jesus himself as an authority exclusive to believers in Mark 16:17. Based on the internal witness of the Bible, that...

Exactly. This passage is a proof text against limited atonement. It shows that those who are of the supposed “elect” status, true believers with spiritual power, losing their salvation on the grounds of being workers of iniquity. In other words, they became unrepentant sinners. Limited atonement...

But contrary to limited atonement, Judas wasn’t doomed from the get go. The prophecy is that Judas would commit apostasy with the result being he became doomed. In other words, Judas was initially saved and lost his salvation. Prophecy or not, Judas does not conform to the limited atonement...

That’s true, but I believe people try to tell the truth as they know it, whether they be right or wrong, because the truth is worth fighting for. It’s also worth putting away wrong ideas if in our ventures we genuinely discover a misconception we previously had. This isn’t a “my side versus...

Well, what I presented above probably does not only step on the toes of limited atonement, but others as well. However, it says what it says and it's Scriptural none the less.

We were discussing limited atonement in another thread, but I feel like this particular point is slightly off topic from the specific doctrine and is more about an example from the Bible about how limited atonement itself cannot be true. The example I would like to focus on, at least initially...

Question for all the Reformed theologians on this board since @brightfame52 tapped out. Question, if Judas were never a genuine believer, why should Jesus have empowered him to drive out demons in Matt 10:1-4, something he elsewhere says is impossible for an unbeliever in Matt 12:24-28?

You are simply dismissing what was previously shown you from Scripture, which was a strong rebuttal against limited atonement. Question, if Judas were never a genuine believer, why should Jesus have empowered him to drive out demons in Matt 10:1-4, something he elsewhere says is impossible for...

Judas Iscariot was chosen and saved and given with spiritual authority. The evidence from Scripture speaks of Jesus losing Judas, contrary to limited atonement saying he was lost because he was never really saved. Judas is named in Matthew 10:1-4 as one among the Twelve. He was explicitly...

The "Twelve" in the synoptic gospels always refers to the 12 hand-chosen disciples that Jesus chose, which includes Judas. Yes, Judas was directly promised eternal life and and also said to have been lost. Judas was also a believer who was qualified to exercise spiritual gifts. This is all sola...

Yes I can. Judas had miraculous powers because he was a believer. This is explicit in Scripture. Mark 16 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; Matthew 10 1And calling His twelve disciples to Him, Jesus gave...