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So, let's see.... Joseph is not the biological father.... and you don't believe God intervened miraculously (and neither does Apak) so,,, WHO is the father of Jesus?

Well then....you better explain it every time you use the word... because 99.8% of Christians will NOT understand what you mean. Lucky for you that I do.... but not many will and they'll believe that you think a mere man can be worshipped.

Doesn't matter Matthias. IF tomorrow, something were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls to definitively describe what the early Christians believed.... we would HAVE TO adapt that belief in order to be defined as Christian.

So both you and @APAK believe that JOSEPH is the biological father of Jesus?

Language is important. Worship, as it is understood TODAY, means something something different than what it meant in both the OT and even at the times of the NT. So what are you going to do? Give a definition of the word WORSHIP every time you mention it so that it can pertain also to a...

This is what you stated in your post 790: If the Apostles didn’t “complete“ them it is because they didn’t hold them. That is Father Fortman’s point. He uses the term “elemental trinitarianism” to describe their writings -> what they wrote doesn’t contain the doctrine but did contain the...

My question is this: WHY IS THIS RACE SO TIGHT??? Why do I have to be so aware of what is happening thus causing me grief? Why don't more persons understand the situtation we're in? And young people are being brain-washed in universities... What about THE FUTURE leaders? This has to be the...

Hi D, I just noticed that you live in CA.... My niece (30, married) lived in San Francisco will about, maybe, 2 years ago. Maybe less. She loved it there but felt she couldn't live there anymore due to the crime. They had bought a new car and were afraid to leave it on the street - they lived...

No Matthias.... You picked the Apostles Creed because you don't agree with the Nicene Creed.... Which just BUILDS on the Ap Creed. Do the Covenants, beginning with the Edenic,,,,build on each other or do they each abolish the previous one to create a brand new covenant? They build on each...

He left orthodox Christianity to join a sect. He has differing opinions about orthodox Christianity that is in opposition to what other ECFs believed. So I don't use him for support for any doctrine that I would question. Because I believe THE NEW TESTAMENT First and Foremost. The creeds just...

That was NOT completed in the days of the Apostles. Was Jesus God? Was Jesus man? Was He 50% of each? THIS was completed by the time of the Apostles? No. It took a lot of time to sort this type of doctrine.... which is what makes us Christians today. You want to go just by the bible? Good. Then...

Or....not speaking at all..... She would have all of America look like California... https://apnews.com/article/harris-vote-proposition-36-california-criminal-justice-a119c4889eae0b6eb6a5eca596fc4d6c

A person is not an it. What do we do with Titus 2:13? ******************************************************************** AND IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, OUR LORD WHO WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY..... 1. A son takes on the nature of the father... A human...

This is easy Matthias. The earlier Christians were so be default....as we said: They HAD to leave the Jewish faith. They were booted out and thus had to start a new church - which were home churches at the time. But then different heresies began to spread which had to be addressed. So...

talon....I use my avatar because I've taught CHILDREN our faith. I don't consider myself to be a teacher because I know how much I'd have to know and it feels insurmountable. However, that was very nice of you! :blush:

OK Short reply. To be CHRISTian, a person must believe that Jesus is God. He must believe that Jesus died and was resurrected. He must be a disciple of Jesus. Arianism was heresy. I'm not saying that this person is not worshipping God and/or is lost. I'm just saying that to be defined as a...

Correct! Just as some use Sola Scriptura, YOU are using "sola Apostles Creed"! Ah. Through Him. By Him. In HIm Romans 11:36 maybe....not sure. Will have to leave this for tomorrow... OK. Just want to show that they all have truth,,,,although not ALL the truth. IT: The logos is a part of...

If I reply to the above, we'll be getting into forbidden territory. Let's say my belief is that He must be more...although He is definitely the annointed One sent by God.

Can't we be saying the same thing using different words? This happens even on these forums...two members are stating exactly the same idea but using different words. I just don't know how the conversation would be different. Purgatory, indulgences, praying to dead people. I'm sorry this is very...