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So you've turned the creed into a bible. I think I already said that a creed is general....and covers big topics...not exhaustively. We need the bible to get to the details. 1 Cor 8:6 THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE (Jesus). The Nicene Creed is more specific: THE NICENE CREED I believe in...

If He's only the Messiah... we're worshipping a man. The Messiah was not meant to be worshipped. Only God can be worshipped. Must go for now.

Yes. I have a problem with this. Any creed cannot, and is not meant to, state every single doctrine found in the NT. It's an overview. As we would study each sentence...it would be possible to expound on the idea presented.

I feel like a primitive Christian too, to use your terminology. I don't care for all the "stuff" that's been added on to Christianity. I also believe in the incarnation of God's LOGOS. Jesus IS the logos.....The WORD.....

Ah. Tricky question and I may not be up to answering it. Other religions also believe that the Almighty God created the universe. Are they Christian? No. I'd say that's not enough. Would love to hear it. That would be John 1:1-3 Hope it's more than WAS to WAS A (God). Hebrews 1:1-2 Fine. I...

Ok. My that post is very important IMO. It explains WHY it took some time to get to any of the creeds... There's a creed in the NT BTW. 1 Cor 15 And other creeds began very early on, I think in the 100's, I'd have to check.

Because things happened that had never happened before. Do we have terminology pertaining to computers? Why? How do we explain Jesus or the 2nd Person of the Trinity becoming a human...taking on flesh. New Term: Incarnation. New terms make it possible to discuss topics without having to...

But it's not what the NT teaches! Aren't Christians supposed to be believers in the NT? My humble belief is that you'd be a saved person,,,,but not necessarily Christian. (I do hate to state anyone's soul state, but in this case it's almost necessary for clarification).

Heresies began while the Apostles were still alive... John was concerned about the gnostics and refers to them in his letter... 1 John 2:19 IF THEY WERE OF US THEY WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT US..... Why aren't you Jewish? Could you post some ECFs that agree with you? That believe that Jesus was...

Justin I'm familiar with. I always chuckle inside when I hear someone saying that the doctrine of the Trinity originated in 325 AD at Nicea. Sometimes they even suggest that it was only after Christianity fell under the sway of evil emperor Constantine that anyone ever thought that Jesus was...

Are we worshipping a man then? Didn't our forefathers study enough and discuss enough so that we could be unstuck? Jesus earliest followers, including His Apostles, had to come to grips with who He was. None of them really understood till after the resurrection, which proved all that Jesus was...

Who is the LET US in Genesis? Different theories....I'll leave it at that. What does John 1:1-3 mean? 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came...

As I think we already stated,,,,the Jewish believers in Jesus as Messiah HAD to leave the synagogue. They believed in Jesus as MESSIAH. But they saw that He was also more. The early church struggled with understanding who Jesus was. The Early Fathers did speak about Him as being God,,,,I think...

Oh. I see, I said an entire creed...I mean just the wording of HE DESCENDED INTO HELL.... Sorry 'bout that. I think I mentioned that HELL was mistranslated and it really meant either hades or maybe sheol.... Jesus could not be present in hell.... The CC recites the Nicene Creed at every...

Hmmmm. I can't think of which exeption,,,but no matter. We could concentrate on the Apostles Creed. I'm also going to go thru your posts now....

OK Let's go through the Apostle's Creed. Here it is: I believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was...

@Matthias Just tried to PM you....it won't go thru. I accept PM's, would you be willing to PM me to explain EXACTLY what it is you'd like to discuss? Sometimes I think we agree, and at other times it feels like we don't. I'm a little confused.

Hi M Just going through my alerts. Been really busy. Won't be able to post till about my 3pm today, Sunday. Not ignoring you. Later.

Doctrine will not save us. But thinking we can call ourselves Christian and not have any transformation in our lives,,,could put us into a dangerous state. This is a really good convo, but you have a big advantage over me... it's only 3:23 PM over there !! Tomorrow....