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  1. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    One must believe to be saved, (John 8:24) but belief by itself does not saved. One must repent to be saved (Luke 13:3) but repentance itself does not save. One must confess to be saved (Matt 10:32-33) but confession does not save. One must be water baptized to be saved (Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38) and...
  2. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    The reason given as to why they will be in flaming fire is for 1) not knowing God 2) not obeying the gospel of Christ. The logical implication is for one to be saved (not be in flaming fire) is one must know God and obey the gospel of Christ.
  3. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    No verse in the Bible says such. Again those in Acts 2 were lost, dead spiritually in sin and commanded to repent and be baptized and able to obey that command. What point was Peter's command in verse 38 if he already knew those sinner's he was preaching to could not obey it? And there is no...
  4. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    Water baptism is- --how one is born again --how one obeys the gospel of Christ to avoid flaming fire. Again, water baptism is where one dies, is buried and raised up (obey the gospel of Christ per 2 Thess 1:8. This obeying the gospel of Chrsit in dyhing, being buried and resurrected does NOT...
  5. Ernest T. Bass

    BAPTISM SAVES, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS"

    As a member of the church of Christ myself, the Greek word eis always means looking forward and is never defined as "because" any of the 1700 or so times it is used in the NT. Changing the meaning of the word eis to "because" creates problems-- (1) in the immediate verse of Acts 2:38 Peter...
  6. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    One problem with this is it makes God a respecter of persons when it comes to salvation when God is not (Acts 10:34). Such an idea puts salvation solely in God's hand where God alone decides capriciously, unconditionally which individuals will be saved and which ones will not. Another problem...
  7. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    "The saved" will be the ones who have conditionally obeyed the gospel of Christ per 2 Thess 1:8.
  8. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    Yes, the old man of sin dies first before one can walk in newness of life (born again). And the death of the old man of sin occurs when one is water baptized.
  9. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    Salvation is by faithful obedience to the will of God. (Hebrews 5:9). Those then that are obedient to the Lord's command to be water baptized are the ones who obey the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no salvation without obedience per 2 Thessalonians 1:8. No example in the NT of a...
  10. Ernest T. Bass

    Dead In Christ

    Those conditionally baptized into Christ are the ones who are dead and freed from sin (Romans 6:7). The whole world cannot be "dead" unless the whole world has conditionally been water baptized.
  11. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    From 2 Thess 1:8 one must OBEY the GOSPEL of Christ in order to not find himself in flaming fire. Obeying the gospel is done when one is water baptized hence water baptism is that form of Christ's death burial and resurrection. Acts 2:41 "Then they that gladly received his word were...
  12. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    From Rom 6, walking in newness of life comes AFTER one has obeyed the gospel by being water baptized.
  13. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    The questioned posed in this thread is what is the gospel and how does one obey it so as not to be in flaming fire per 2 Thess 1:8
  14. Ernest T. Bass

    2 Thessalonians 1:8

    2 Thess 1:8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" The implication of the verse is if one does not want to be lost in flaming fire facing God's vengeance then one must obey the gospel of Christ. What is the gospel of...
  15. Ernest T. Bass

    SALVATION

    The Bible shows that God requires obedience to His will in order for one to receive salvation (Hebrews 5:9). Again, no person in the Bible was ever saved by remaining impenitently disobedient to God's will. Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his...
  16. Ernest T. Bass

    SALVATION

    Moses was not perfectly sinless, no Christian is perfectly sinless. Yet God never required perfect sinlessness in order for one to be saved. All God has required is a faithful obedience which Moses had, as Abraham, David, etc. When the Christian does sin he must CONDITIONALLY repent of his sin...
  17. Ernest T. Bass

    SALVATION

    Salvation is conditional upon one having faith and NT faith is an obedient work required by God. No verse indicates that salvation is conditional upon a person being disobedient. Since all men are doing one of two things, obedience or disobedience, o one was ever saved who impenitently...
  18. Ernest T. Bass

    SALVATION

    The Bible says the faithless (unbelievers) will be lost, therefore salvation is conditional upon one having and maintain faith. Romans 5:2 faith is what gives one access to grace, therefore receiving grace is conditional upon one having and maintaining grace. If grace were totally...
  19. Ernest T. Bass

    SALVATION

    Many times free gifts, as salvation, are conditional and meeting the condition(s) does not earn the free gift gift but is necessary to receive the free gift. Therefore meeting the necessary condition(s) does not add to the free gift but is a necessary part of receiving the free gift. Example...
  20. Ernest T. Bass

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    There is only two things a person can do 1) believe 2) not believe The Bible is full of verses that says the unbeliever is lost. NOT ONE VERSE says an unbeliever will be saved. John 3:18 shows the state of unbelief is a state of already condemned not already saved. John 3:18 "He that...