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    Trump ~ guilty

    If it were Your side , instead of Trump, half of America would be burned by insane democrat rioters, and every democrat would applaud their own cities destroyed
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Part of the problem is that they do not understand harvest. Nor do they understand paradise, or why those patriarchs were held adjacent to hell. Add that up, and we have the bizarre misunderstanding of dead in Christ raised, and misunderstanding of firstfruits (Jesus, and the patriarchs). They...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    There are 2 gatherings in mat 24. 3 gatherings in Rev 14, during the trib. All before the 2nd coming on horses.( except your lone PARTIAL gathering of mat 24 'after the tribulation.') Pretrb rapture fits. Nothing else does.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Mat 24. " before the flood" Noah gathered One taken/left Peacetime, commerce, normal life Watch and be ready before the flood. Lot gathered before the judgement. All rapture verses are peacetime, commerce, normal life. Your deal has the opposite setting and actually denies Jesus's words of the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In the story of the rich man and Lazarus we can see that both men died and immediately one went to Paradise and one went to hell. They could see each other. So Paradise was adjacent to hell and it's where all the Patriarchs went when they died. They all went to Paradise. It was not heaven where...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Noah was gathered BEFORE the flood Mat 24 " before the flood....." 1) Noah gathered 2) one taken/one left 3) watch and be ready. 4) watch and be ready in setting of commerce, peacetime, and normal life. In fact all rapture verses, are peacetime, and commerce. Lot was gathered pre judgement as...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Jesus is the firstfruits of the first resurrection. Main harvest follows firstfruits. ( the rapture) The innumerable number in heaven are part of the first resurrection.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You ask questions that you already have answers for. None of my answers are "correct" Yours "are" That IS your position. Waste of time
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Rev22 8 And I am John, which saw and heard these things: and when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the Angel which showed me these things. 9 But he said unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the Prophets, and of them which...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Bible says paradise was adjacent to hell , under the earth. Jesus went there when he died. The patriarchs were held there when they died. The Bible says Jesus preached the gospel to them and they accepted it and they were raised from the dead and they went to heaven with Jesus basically we...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jn 20 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Does not say anything about hearing or not hearing.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You have no idea what you are talking about.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Amil dilemma. You just stumbled upon it In the rapture ONLY the dead in christ are raised.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Romans 11, says different that your belief. You are way off.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Nope. They are firstfruit ethnic Jews
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I am pretrib and debate anyone that is honest. I can defend that doctrine easily. In fact it is one of the easiest to defend. Most postribbers carry in tons of extra biblical material. Hmmmmm. All I need is my bible
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I can give you several. BTW..I have challenged postribbers to post a verse pointing to a postrib rapture. NOBODY HAS EVER FOUND ONE.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    BTW Muslims, with no bible or bible verses,and no evangelists are getting saved!!!! Jesus is appearing to them in dreams and visions . Meanwhile Christians here think salvation is verses and a bible. They NEVER hear Gods voice.. Poor poor Americans and their abstract Jesus. What is going on???????
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    From Websters FAITH Synonyms & Similar Words confidence trust certainty credence conviction assurance acceptance stock hope certitude positiveness reliance surety assuredness sureness credit dependence dependance
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The reason all men sin is because they do not trust the scriptures. " walk in the spirit and YOU WILL NOT FULFILL THE LUST OF THE FLESH" YET THEY DO. What a dilemma. You confess you do not walk in the spirit, (never hear God) and yet you would need to trust the bible,telling you to walk in the...