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The pretrib answer to this is that those elect are they that converted to Christianity after the rapture. The remaining ones who realize the truth of Christ.

Then according to you, the 1000 years are taking place at this very moment. Would Revelation 21 then not be in the panorama in your view? Are you in the new heaven and new earth right now?

Not in the least. We discuss it because we are so eager for it. 2 Timothy 4:8

Thrones and reigning in Revelation 20:4 sure make it sound like a kingdom. I just flatly disagree that 1000 years is supposed to be symbolic. (Symbolic for what?) If what your saying is true, and Rev 20:6 is talking about the final judgement where the righteous rise to eternal life and the...

After 1000 years. The second ressurectuon does not follow immediately like you are suggesting. So if you're saying that this point marks the final resurrection before all things are made new, then why does the passage indicate a fixed amount of time after? "1000 years" is not symbolic for...

I thought they were already here

Hmm. I'm not sure if theres an scatological reference in that verse tbh. The evil day is today and basically every day we live wake and breath in this fallen and corrupted world. Hence why we put the armour on daily.

@n2thelight interesting responses. What do you make of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Now, I think we can agree that we aren't just going to be...

@Keraz you're kind of ignoring John 14:3. "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also" Jesus says that he will come back and recieve us unto Himself after he has prepared a place for us (in Heaven, where He...

I hope Dave L responds to my question on response #85 though. He usually has an ammilenniel rebuttle for everything when it comes to this topic...

A martyr is someone who dies physically for Jesus (by definition). If you want to attach a metaphorical cannontation to what I said to one-up me that's your business I guess.

I literally said nothing about it being my "rightful" place ruling with Christ. Those words were put in my mouth.

Exactly. If anyone is worthy of honor it is surely the martyrs who die for the sake of Christ.

That doesn't really address my question. Even so, that's what the verse says will happen, not me. I'm content just being a serf in Christ's Kingdom and I know I am entitled to nothing more.

@Dave L I have a question. When you say: It happens on the last day after the resurrection of believers. Then how can your view align with scripture Revelation 20:6 which states that those of the first resurrection will reign for 1000 years? 1000 years is not Eternity last time I checked. So...

@Waiting on him What about Revelation 20:6 which specifically talks about reigning with Christ for 1000 years?

Romans 9:6 @tzcho2

Pretriber here. If there's no rapture, how does OP explain verses like Luke 21:36 ? Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Also, Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that...

Any notion that Jesus was not perfect (sinless) is heresy.

The incorrigible left are chanting that he wasn't exonerated... but no evidence of collusion or obstruction is tantamount to exoneration.