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And THAT'S EXACTLY my point!!! Too many men and women focus on the whole "Woman SUBMIT" thing, without them thinking that THEY have a BIG part in this too. OMG...You GET IT!!! THank you, St. SteVen....THANK YOU!!!!

Since I don't know you, I wouldn't be able to tell if you're serious. God never said you can 'be the boss.' But that's how you understand 'submission'. Make your own sandwiches. :D Ugh. I don't subscribe to THAT thinking, either. Can't there be a middle-of-the-road SOMEWHERE? Think you...

Actually, yeah. I can. And I just did. It's not God's order, and no it isn't true even if the husband is wrong. I'm not about to 'obey' some man who may put me, our children, our families, our neighbors and even strangers in danger just to assuage his ego. Wrong again. I'm not the one who...

"Do unto others."

GOD the Father never said that. Neither did Jesus. It's not an "evil ideology of feminism" to want an unselfish husband who's able to compromise...and not "call all the shots" like some dictator.

Ridiculous. As if women knew before men that women get pregnant through sex. Unbelievable. What if God came down and told you to submit to your WIFE? Would you obey the Lord or not? God told us...that is EVERYONE...that we should submit to ONE ANOTHER and they won't. Even you.

The ARROGANCE from you is stunning. Who decides, who judges if the WIFE'S argument is wrong? No, it isn't unconditional. Again, your ARROGANCE is shocking. You don't follow God, *I* don't 'obey'. So, I 'obey' him, and he gets us ALL killed...??? Yeah, really GOOD reasoning. Final point...

I didn't SAY that DID I!!!! I SAID a "more natural COLOR".

The bible says NOTHING about "unconditional" obedience EXCEPT to GOD!!! NOT 'man'...GOD!!! If obedience to (a) man (husband) was "unconditional" Paul would NEVER have allowed a woman to LEAVE her husband. He said (paraphrasing) that IF a wife leaves, she has to either NOT get divorced OR be...

I think you really need to get over this whole 'submit' thing as ONLY applied to women to husbands. The bible DOES say to submit to ONE ANOTHER...and that INCLUDES wives to husbands and husbands to wives.

But the Father GAVE Jesus some authority. And Jesus submitted to THAT. Sorry....but I think that there are plenty of men who hear/read the word 'submission' and think, "Oh, GOODY! My wife has to do WHATEVER I TELL HER!' while ignoring what the Father is telling HIM. As I pointed out...

Not all married men "just want a family." Money can be an important 'tool' for BOTH men and women, and a number of men want to control the purse strings. So, it's not a 'man' thing or a 'woman' thing. Some HUMANS simply want THAT much control. But you've described in 'submitting to one...

Nope. I don't believe that for a moment. It doesn't even make sense. After all, what if the husband's argument is wrong? What if it's selfish? "Oh, o.k., honey. I'll 'submit' to you. If you REALLY want to be with those prostitutes..." A lot of people out there are scummy, and their...

It's interesting that you brought this up. While SOME people believe that ancient people inherently knew how to have sex, those same ancient people may not have known that intercourse can lead to pregnancy. There were some cultures that believed that a woman can become pregnant by sitting in...

LOL!!! Yes, you're right. Honestly, I have not even attempted to date for the past 10+ years. And because of what I've seen/heard about 'what's out there', I'm not even tempted to try. But the thing is that you already KNOW this. So to say something like, “What's YOUR responsibility in all...

So...from what's been written on this thread, do you believe that ALL husbands deserve that kind of 'obedience'?

It's interesting that you seem to begin your hypothesis with Genesis 2 while ignoring Genesis 1. Interesting how Genesis 2:18 says nothing about the "submission" of a wife. Eve said, "I have produced a man with the HELP of the Lord." One cannot automatically assume that if Eve was created...

Not only through MY experience, but from the last 25 years of me being online and listening/reading about other women's experiences. I'm not mad at you. I know how men think too, and the first 'rule of order' is that not all men think alike. There are many people -- both men and women -- who...

I'm not making posts about "men". I'm making posts about SOME men. You seem to believe that ALL men are alike, and ALL women are alike. What a sad, sad, unhealthy narrow-minded world you live in.

HUH? I think you meant "with" one and not "without" one. If I 'need' something to be done, I don't really give two hoots if it's a man or woman. As long as either one knows how to do the job, that's fine by me. Gender doesn't matter. But YOU seem to think it DOES.