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But David was physically dead, although he was not martyred, he was physically dead. The initial group in Revelation 20:4 is physically dead people according to your view. The rest of the dead has to be referring back to the initial group of physically dead people. Why isn’t David part of the...

I’ve thought the same thing, that Ezekiel 37 was pointing to Matthew 27:52-53. Someone posted on another forum that some Jews even today insist on being buried facing Jerusalem/Israel when they die because they expect to be raised as Ezekiel 37 says in vs 12 I will open your graves, and cause...

Ok, I’m not sure how long this period of rest is, but if someone physically dies during this rest, where would you place them? And are you seeing believers as part of the “rest of the dead” group?

I personally have no problem saying the first resurrection happened at the cross or including those in Matthew 27:52-53 as the first resurrection. It’s when we come to “the rest of the dead” and who they are that seems to be the issue. Ok, so back to the initial group (my term) in Revelation...

Yes, we can’t know exactly what those bodies looked like but we know that a spirit doesn’t need to have the grave opened nor does it make sense that a spiritual body which slept arose. I suppose someone could try to argue that this is soul sleep but then they would have to apply that to...

I agree, David wasn’t spiritually dead. In Matthew 27:52-53 it’s the bodies <4983> of the saints that came out of the graves. I don’t know if you follow the idea that it was their spiritual bodies that arose or not, but if so then the question arises as to how Moses could’ve been on the mount of...

Those resurrected in Matthew 27:52-53 are called “many” which means many(high in number); multitudinous, plenteous, "much"; "great" in amount (extent). In Acts 2:29 David was both dead and buried at that time so he wasn’t one of many that were resurrected in Matthew 27:52-53. How is it then...

Well, I think the souls under the altar, at the fifth seal are Old Testament saints. Those in Revelation 20:4 are beheaded for the witness of Jesus. I thought you mentioned in a previous post that Revelation 20:4 was people who were martyred through out all history. Do you think those in...

But you are not addressing the fact that Revelation 20:5 says they don’t live until thousand years finished. When are the thousand years finished? Before or after the little season? I think you know it’s before little season but then you also are correctly insisting that the dead aren’t raised...

I agree it doesn’t make sense, and there is also Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Clearly there is a...

So if I have this correct, only martyred believers are seen reigning, the rest of the dead are unbelievers, and un-martyred believers are then mentioned as blessed if they have part in the first resurrection but are not included as the rest of the dead even though that word means the remaining...

Ok, in that case let’s look at Relation 20:5 again. Revelation 20:5 But the rest <3062> of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. The word rest is <3062> which means the rest, the remaining. In other words the remainder of the...

I agree, I don’t think the dead that live again is meant as them being resurrected. If you see the “rest of the dead” as those is Sheol and when they live again it’s not a resurrection, then what is it?

Let me put it this way, there is a single, initial group of dead people in Revelation 20 that is shown to contain two subgroups. One part of that initial group (a subgroup) lives and reigns with Christ, the other part of that initial group (another subgroup), aka the rest of the dead, live after...

Because if physical martyrs are in view in Revelation 20:4 then physically dead live again after the millennium in Revelation 20:5. The beheaded and the rest of the dead are part of a group they have both either physically died or figuratively died prior to Revelation 20:4. The conflict happens...

Yes, the rest of the dead have to be on earth, else you have Revelation 20:5 being false the day after the millennium ends. Personally I don’t think they are physically dead people that are raised from their graves, I think “dead” has another meaning. This is why those who are beheaded in...

Revelation 20:5 the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished <5055>. Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired <5055> Satan shall be loosed out of his prison. Both Satans little season and the rest of the dead live after the thousand years are...

So the day after the thousand years are ended are the rest of the dead alive or not? If not, then they don’t live again after the thousand years are finished which is in contradiction to Revelation 20/5.

I think those who were beheaded is referring to the old covenant/Old Testament saints and when Christ died they were beheaded as in their Messiah was cut off. Some of the old covenant people did recognize Jesus as the Messiah and they lived and reigned with Christ while alive on earth as Marty...

The text says they do live after the thousand years, you must be incorrect about something else if you have them not living after the thousand years. Revelation 20:5 says But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. If there’s no gap then how are you...