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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Well Revelation 6:9-11 shows some martyrs asking how long, do you think this is part of a future tribulation?
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    I know you’re heading off to bed, I am too in a couple of hours, so no hurry in responding. The rest of the dead lived not again not again till the thousand years were finished. That means they come to life when Satan compasses the camp of the saints. I’ve been placing the camp of the saints as...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    If I’m understanding you correctly you place the 1,000 years from Stephen to 70AD, or really just prior to 70AD? If so, I too have thought about that, to me it appears that prophetically speaking there was nothing to prevent Satan from destroying Jerusalem after the cross, or maybe after the...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Doug, you have blindness in full happing to Israel until some future date. The blindness in part had to do with believing in Jesus but still wanting the old covenant. This is seen in Acts 21:20 Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Ok, so the obvious next question is how can this city and people, who can’t be made whole again (Jeremiah 19:11), be gathered into their own land and have left none of them any more there (Ezekiel 39:28)? I can understand how a New Jerusalem and spiritual Jew can give an answer to this but I...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Let me ask you this, do you think some believers are going to inherit or receive the promised land while other believers will not? If so what is it based on?
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Jeremiah 19:11 And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury. When did or will this be fulfilled...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    I didn’t know that, thanks for the info. Is this something that is easily found on the internet or do you have a website that explains this?
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Yea, it’s just be born again not be born again or be born with a Jewish lineage.
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    While neither of us are trying to convert anyone to Judaism the point isn’t moot. In Revelation 2:9 we have the statement, them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Do you think there is currently a group of people, worshipping in synagogues, claiming to be...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    I completely agree with your post, I was going to post many of those same verses you did when Doug said that the Jews will be worshipping the one true God with old covenant sacrifices at some future point. Sometimes I wonder if the futurist believe Christ died for the Gentiles but not the Jews...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    That may be the rules given by those who are claiming to be Jews today but there are no scriptural rules that state a person has to deny Jesus or the gospel to become a Jew. Where ever that rabbinic process comes from it wouldn’t qualify as being in agreement with the Mt. Sinai covenant, so...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Alright, I didn’t use the proper terminology but you know what I meant. Are you suggesting that people who have become Jews rather than being born a Jew will not inherit the land? Do you have scripture to support this?
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    No, I don’t believe there currently is a difference between Jew and Gentile as far as God is concerned. But … those who do think the Jews are going to receive a different reward than Gentiles are inadvertently teaching that it would be advantageous to convert to Judaism.
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Well Paul was both a Jew and a Christian. Surely a Gentile doesn’t have to reject Jesus to become a Jew as there was no stipulation for this in the Mt. Sinai covenant. On the one hand you can be a Christian and be a Jew like Paul was but on the other hand, according to your interpretation of...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    According to the Mt. Sinai covenant Gentiles can become Jews. Why not become a Jew, make some animal sacrifices, and enjoy all the benefits of inheriting the promised land? Someone like you Doug, who already knows how it’s going to turn out could really take advantage of this situation. Would...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Daniel 9:21(NIV) while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. The KJV says whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning. It just means the first vision, the words “at the beginning” <8462>...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Where are you getting the idea that the vision has to be experienced by both Daniel and Gabriel? From where are you deriving that rule from? Ok, the temple that starts sacrificing animals isn’t desolate, it is worshipping and praising the one true God. This future temple then only becomes...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Agreed, Daniel recognizes Gabriel just as someone will recognize their pastor when they see him. That recognition doesn’t mean we refer back to the last conversation we had, most likely it will be new conversation. Or the matter was the vision. Jeremiah was given visions, for example in...
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    The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

    Doug, the vision in Daniel 9:21-23 can’t be referring to the Daniel 8 vision. It’s referring to Daniel 9:2, the vision or word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. In Daniel 8:14 it says unto 2300 then shall the...