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Ok, I think I got it now. Those who ask the question in Revelation 6:10 died prior to the writing of Revelation otherwise they would obviously know the answer, but then we have the statement that they should rest a little season. How long is a little season? 2,000 years?

We maybe closer in agreement than I first thought. I agree with your point #1 that the souls witnessed in past history. Point #2 I agree that their fellow servants and brethren are a different group. I would add that they don’t ask the question that the first group asks. So are we in agreement...

Thanks, I’ve seen that argument before, the word “touch” <680> can mean to cling to. The counter argument to that is in Luke 24:29 where Jesus was constrained <3894> which goes much further than simply clinging to. I don’t want to debate this point when we are in agreement on most of the other...

I’m with you on this! What are your thoughts on John 20:17? John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. I think Jesus ascended shortly...

I think I agree with most of what you’re saying. The way I see it is those who were resurrected in Matthew 27:52-53 are the ones asking how long. In Matthew 23:35 the statement is made that upon you (Jerusalem) will come all the righteous blood shed. Those in Revelation 6:9-11 are asking when...

Well that could be their motive but Revelation 6:9 says they were slain for the word and their testimony. One would think that they have read Revelation 6 and that this was part of their testimony. Even with a faulty understanding of being avenged they ask a question that they already know the...

I understand that there are folks who insist the old covenant is still in force in some kind of capacity, and I don’t want to open that can of worms here. Here’s the thing though, it still doesn’t make sense to be asking how long in Revelation 6:10 when we already know the answer. I don’t think...

So let’s look at the idea that as people die, they go to heaven and ask how long. First off it’s souls in the plural sense that ask, not singularly or one at a time, and as time passes the avenging would constantly be getting closer making a single answer meaningless. Then at some point the...

Only a very basic understanding of the events of the fifth seal are needed to see the flaw in this occurring in the future. 1 there are the souls of believers who died for their testimony. 2 they ask a question 3 that question is answered Since believers currently know with 100% confidence...

So then only the church experiences the tribulation but the entire planet experiences the bowls of wrath? The tribulation being the greatest ever and the bowls of wrath may or may not be the greatest when compared to the flood which left only eight souls. Would that be a fair assessment of your...

So what you’re saying is in the past there are events that are greater in scope as far as death and physical destruction than the Matthew 24 tribulation because they are wrath not tribulation. If this is the case then the great tribulation could end up being mild in comparison. I guess it...

1 Peter 3:20 says while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Do you think the future great tribulation will have less than eight people that are able to survive and make it through?

Right, God is the judge, although He has given judgement to the Son. At least we agree on the basic timing of when the fifth seal occurs. I’m surprised that so far no one has brought up Luke 18:1-8 as this gets cross referenced to those asking to be avenged.

Let me get your opinion on this, some people will argue against the Amil position and say the gospel or Gods word did go to Gentiles before the cross using Nineveh as an example. I know some Amil rather see Nineveh as an exception and foreshadow of the gospel going to the Gentiles. Here’s my...

Fair enough, I personally don’t ask for vindication, when I’m wronged I look at it as an opportunity for me to express attributes such as mercy, forgiveness, forbearance and so on. Those who were under the law in the old covenant had every right and reason to expect their blood to be avenged. I...

The logic only applies to our foreknowledge. For example, we know Christ will return someday, we have this foreknowledge because we have read about it in the Bible. We’re not asking God if Jesus will return or not because we have foreknowledge about this event, it is certain. We have the...

Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell...

Exactly, they didn’t know the answer when they asked, that’s why that question had to have been asked prior to the writing of Revelation or possibly just shortly after but certainly not in our future.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: They are slain for the word and the testimony which they held. Are you saying they didn’t have the words of Revelation 6 or...

Well, what I’m saying is everybody who has read Revelation 6 knows the answer to the question asked by the souls under the altar. Knowing this information negates the necessity to ask the question. This fact alone makes it unlikely that it can a future event. I’m willing to listen to reasonable...