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It's interesting that Shepherd of Hermas didn't ultimately get viewed as "Scripture" (although Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria and Origen all thought it was). It had far better reception in the East than in the West. And it is in Codex Sinaiticus. My guess is that its push for...

Either the Pope presides over the universal worldwide church, or the presbyters/elders do. Which is it? If it's the Pope, then the Shepherd of Hermas's reference to a church presided over by presbyters/elders cannot mean that universal worldwide Church. It must mean the pastors of the local...

The moment you interpreted Shepherd of Hermas' word ἐκκλησίας as a reference to the worldwide universal Church.

It's the logical outgrowth of your interpretation of "thou shalt read (the book) to this city along with the elders that preside over the Church." If the word Church is, as you claim, a reference to the worldwide universal Church, then those elders preside over the worldwide universal Church.

OK, then. The elders and presbyters preside over the universal worldwide Church.

Well, I don't know why it matters whether the translators chose to capitalize ἐκκλησίας. English translations do it all the time even when referencing a Church that clearly is geographically limited. If you are suggesting that the translator's choice to capitalize "Church" without expressly...

Well, who counts as "apostolic fathers" and what counts as "Scripture" here? One can easily define both so as to make your statement true. Or false.

Neither one (if you mean Mary mother of Jesus).

Well, two responses. First, the Greek does not capitalize "Church," σὺ δὲ ἀναγνώσῃ εἰς ταύτην τὴν πόλιν μετὰ τῶν πρεσβυτέρων τῶν προϊσταμένων τῆς ἐκκλησίας, so that capitalization is a translator's gloss on ἐκκλησίας. (Gotta go to the Greek!) More importantly, let's look at the two preceding...

I need to push back a bit here as well, @Marymog. Here is the full quote (Roberts-Donaldson translation): "But you will read the words in this city, along with the presbyters who preside over the Church." Here is Lightfoot's translation: "But thou shalt read (the book) to this city along with...

I am surprised you see this as a debate that can be won or lost. This isn't a contest, is it? If you think you need to "win," and that I am "losing" by responding in kind to your "moral mess" comment -- immediately followed by my noting that it has no relevance to our discussion -- we are both...

The argument for Papal authority over other Sees is largely one of necessity: someone has to be the final authority in the event of dissent and disagreement on dogma, so let it be the successor of Peter, who held the primacy position among the Twelve. We see this in Irenaeus' Adversus Haereses...

I'll go further than that on 1st Clement. I find it equivocal at best. Some have argued that because it responds to a matter on which the Corinthians had apparently consulted Rome, these Corinthians must have recognized Rome’s authority. But read its tenor, and one thing jumps out: this is not...

Careful research and honest analysis. Just as I would expect from a Catholic. I'm not aware of any "moral mess" affecting the Anglican communion that comes within a mile of approaching the moral mess that Catholic pedophile priests have left in their wake. But honestly, I don't see what that...

We can respectfully disagree on how to interpret the Nicene Canons, and anything else. Respectfulness, for me at least, means I will never challenge your opinion as the product of not having read what you are opining about. But of course, I read the canons carefully before opining. And I...

Ah, but when did you gain that prominence? I use RCC (pretty much a Protestant term nowadays) because in the first three centuries the Catholic Church was not particularly Roman. Even at Nicaea the independence from Roman hegemony of the episcopates in Alexandria, Antioch, and elsewhere was...

I don't smoke. Who is the Puppeteer? Surely not Biden! He couldn't hold the strings to his own shoes. The guy is a complete Bozo.

Fair question!

You see these as indicative of the RCC's return to prominence? Boy, I sure don't!

Actually, Costello broke nothing, because Cohen had waived attorney client privilege for Costello, which is why he (and no other Cohen attorney) could testify. Take a look at page 4155-56 of that day's transcript. I appreciate that reading through days of testimony is painstaking, and for that...