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Purgatory also comes from 1 Corinthians 3:11.....the burning of gold and hay. It also comes from Revelation 21:27 ..... nothing unclean will get into heaven. 1 Corinthians absolutely does not state anything about purgatory. Revelation could be debated, but it would make Jesus' sacrifice...

If you went to Mass every day for 3 years, you'd have heard the entire bible, both OT and NT. Because every year the readings change ..... A, B and C verses....this takes 3 years' time. I don't know if I'd call a homily short comments....maybe. I think it's more of encouragement, teachings on...

Yes. I remember Paul Harvey. I think it's a sign of getting old.... Chkl: I do think we need something else.... otherwise the Holy Spirit would be telling all of Jesus' followers the same teachings. You gonna let us in on the secret?? How did Jesus change the subject while preaching the...

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OK. So are you saying it's possible to never sin? Could you just state this plainly? If you say you do not sin... no matter HOW you do this..,. it is boasting. Because it is NOT all of God. YOU, the person, must contribute to your salvation. If you say it is all of God and you DO sin, you're...

MA! What you're saying is that if we don't understand some part of scripture, then we don't have a good connection with the Holy Spirit ! What does 1 Timothy 2:15 mean? How about 1 Peter 3:19?

What was the understanding of the ECFs?

Just read the above... I have to agree with @uncle silas . A person that believes he never sins has set the bar too low. I think I could say I never sin... Never take the name of the Lord in vain. Don't worship idols. I do my very best to keep one day holy...set apart for God. Don't kill anyone...

Yes! You're right that I don't understand you,,,even though I've tried really hard. I don't believe we can EVER reach a state of sinlessness until after we're dead. I think I've stated on this very thread that the ECFs believed a person could have the ability to never sin after baptism, but...

Couldn't agree more. A few years ago I became interested in reading the Early Church Fathers.... It opened my eyes to a lot. I think if there's any conflict in our understanding of the NT, they're a good place to go. They didn't agree on everything 100%, but their views were more or less the...

Hi John, Could you please explain better what CE means? And what do you mean that Catholics do not use Apocryphal inserts? And I agree that Catholics are not ENCOURAGED to read scripture or try to understand it. This is why so many JWs are former catholics - no understanding of apologetics.

Well, to me your post makes a lot of sense because I believe OSAS to be a false doctrine. However, that wasn't the point of my post. The point was that we Christians don't agree on every doctrine and that I think it would be HELPFUL if we did. Maybe, in order to be able to agree on what...

The above is very nice sounding, isn't it? So every believer that you encounter believes exactly the same doctrine? You're living in a very special world. Let's take a look: 2 Timothy 3:16 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for...

I'm not sure @uncle silas is agreeing with me regarding the sin nature.... but my reply to you is that the Trinity is also not written in the bible and yet the idea/concept is there. I explained in detail why the flesh means nothing since the flesh is not able to move or to sin. It's OUR NATURE...

The Pope doesn't make up the Catholic doctrine. This Pope makes many statements...but I can't remember when a Pope spoke ex-cathedra. But this is not the point I was making. What I'm saying is that I'm sorry there are so many teachings...they can't all be right. It seems to me that we have to...

There are MORE than two sets of believers. I read about all sorts of beliefs on these boards. HOW am I supposed to know which belief system is the correct one? Wouldn't it be nice if ALL PROTESTANTS believed the same doctrine? I asked @MA2444 which doctrine is correct: OSAS or The possibility...

Agreed on all. Even the part about participating in the process of becoming better. And it becomes easier and easier as we keep our focus on Jesus and seek to follow Him. And let's not forget that it's the Holy Spirit that gives us the hope and strength to follow our Lord.

I understand you very well. But something is just slightly off and I'd like to just discuss it for a few posts and then stop. You checked out what flesh means in every instance where it's used. And you've come to the conclusion that the BODY is damaged. So what is THE FLESH...THE BODY? The...

The church has zero authority over the Word of God. OK So is OSAS a correct teaching or not?

In your last paragraph you describe two different types of believers. So how do we know which type is correct? How do we know what Jesus expects from us - if anything? Some believe we don't have to do anything at all. Some, like myself, believe we have to obey God and live a life of good...