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Yes, the early fathers did have some beliefs/teachings/interpretations of Scripture that did not align or where "different" than the teachings of The Church. Sooooo what is your point?

You are correct. Throughout history Christianity, not The Church, was wracked with divisions and it is still divided. However, there was not division in The Church. There was and is only 1 Church with 1 teaching and that Church (organization) makes decisions for all of us. Just like when the...

Scripture has many passages that says a man can defend himself. But since you don't know Scripture you don't know that. It sounds like if lived during the Crusads you would rely on "Rome" to come and save you and your family as you cower(d) in a corner turning your other check. Read that entire...

In regard to Matthew 18: Who's church history? Lutheran's? Baptists? Methodist? Can you really not see how your theory doesn't work? There is only 1 Church with 1 teaching. In regard to 1 Timothy: The Truth of Scripture according to whom? Conflict with Scripture according to WHO? Protestant...

Lol...Yup, Marymog repeats erroneous positions but ol' Scotty is always right and never wrong. Yes, I acknowledge the error of communicating with a pompous person.

That is exactly what 1 Timothy 3:15 and Matthew 18:17 mean: The Church is infallible. If Scripture said that Ronald Nolette is the pillar and foundation of truth, wouldn't YOU be infallible? If Scripture said that Ronald Nolette has the final decision on if a person should be kicked out of The...

As a historian I know Church (Christian) history and Scripture very well. The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, has never failed. Since The Church always has the Truth, it cannot fail. Also, you must abide by the teachings of The Church or you will be kicked out (Matthew...

Not true. In the early Church, before Constantine, there were some men (Docetism, Montanism, Adoptism, Gnostism etc etc) who broke away from The Church because they disagreed with the teachings of The Church. So those "divergent voices in teh {sic} church" that you speak of were on in the...

If you already know that the teachings of Luther and Calvins teachings are different than the early fathers then how can you suggest that their teachings were getting back to the roots of the Apostles? That makes no sense.....

Hello PinSeeker, You are incorrect sir/mam. The Protestant Reformers did in FACT teach different than the early fathers. Calvin taught there was no free will. The early fathers taught there was. Calvin and Zwingili did not teach/believe in the Real Presence. Martin Luther...

Hello PinSeeker, As I stated in that post that you quoted: I consider the "early fathers" as the Apostolic Fathers or fathers that lived close to their lifetime. Mary

@Augustin56 is correct. If you knew your own Christian history, you would know that.

Fascinating......You trust God to give YOU the truth but you don't trust God has given others the truth? That is how I read your statement.......Am I wrong in my interpretation of your statement?

Thanks for your opinion, Matthew. I will adhere to Scripture. It is logical that a Christian must "subject themselves to learn and grow in knowledge" but that does not take away from the teachings of The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15), and is the final...

Hey Ronald, Your theory intrigues me. Who was God leading and guiding during the Reformation? Martin Luther? Zwingili? The Catholic Church? Calvin? See how your theory falls apart with that one simple question? No, The Church wasn't a mess in the 1st century. There were men who rejected the...

Hey Ronald, Do you disagree with 1 Timothy 3:15 and Matthew 18:17? But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto...

I have found that Church. Have you?

Soooo you, MatthewG, read the bible and interpret various passages from the bible to teach XYZ. Do you accept what you taught yourself as the truth? Or do you reference anyone else's teachings from the last 2,000 years on those passages to further your knowledge and maybe get you to think...

Peter's and Paul's foretold warnings came true on a grand scale. It's called the Protestant Reformation. That is what I have "factored in". Does that answer your question, Scott? Christ started The Church. That Church has taught the Truth of 2,000 years. I have found that Church. Have you?

Hey Ronald, Just some clarification here with biblical accuracy: The Bereans, who were Jews, were told by Paul and Silas that Jesus was the promised Messiah. That occurred about 30 years after the death of Christ. The Bereans then checked the OT scripture against what Paul and Silas had told...