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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    One is the other, and vice-versa. Hm. When Christ calls them "little children" and says "let them come to me," He specifies no age. I would put His comment there in Matthew 19 in the same light as what Peter says in Acts 2, that, in speaking to the men of Israel, he says, "the promise is for...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Right, and ours is no different. It depends on whether God has changed his/her heart or not, whether that baby has been born again of the Spirit, which can happen at any age, even before birth, as was the case with John, who leapt in his mother Elizabeth's womb when greeted by Mary, who was...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    They're dead in sin from conception, just like David said he was in Psalm 51. But even if he/she dies before being born or even shortly thereafter, God can change their heart... and will, by the power of His Holy Spirit ~ if he/she is one of His elect. Grace and peace to you.
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    I'd call it a mixed bag on that. No, I see what you think you see. I don't lie. I'm not even sure what you're talking about, nor do I care, really. "Object?" Meh. Call it what you want. I just don't think it's correct in this particular subject we've been discussing. Likewise you me, I...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Well, I was calling for a bit of clarification on what you do in fact believe, because your statements were ambiguous. And you didn't answer this question: Do you think Jesus and the Holy Spirit to be one Person or two? You seemed to say a couple of posts ago that Jesus and the Holy Spirit...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Okay, well, I didn't ignore anything you have said, Blue Dragonfly. Nothing. And I don't disagree with you that Jesus's divine nature is incompatible His human sin nature. As you may recall from my last post, I said, "In the one person of Christ are united a true human nature and a true...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    No... No, Hebrews 1:3 was and is not false. :) Those are very interesting and compelling statements, Blue Dragonfly. Really, this is just a very difficult thing to wrap one's mind around. One thing is certain and beyond debate. Jesus never committed an act of sin. The sinless life of...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    As the Son of God ~ as God ~ He possessed the full nature of God. But as man, even the Son of Man, He possessed the full nature of man, also. He must have had this human nature, because He was tempted in every way we are (Hebrews 4). If He did not have this sinful nature of man, it would not...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    No, it gives us a valid reason for why we cannot, in this life, keep from sinning. In no way do we have any excuse, as Paul is very clear of in Romans 1 and 2. Absolutely, but none of us are capable in this life of completely avoiding sin. Sinlessness is not attainable because of our fallen...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Yeah, I... know "so it is today," Robert. That's why I said it. I'm glad you agree. My goodness. Get over yourself, dude. Adam represented the entire human race to come; he was its ~ our ~ progenitor. You can call it what you want or not; it is what it is. Adam was the federal head of the...
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    Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

    Thanks for your "thoughts," Pierac. :) Quite obviously (well, to you it should be, after you read this post), the one not paying attention is you. We've had this discussion before, and your understanding of what I've said is terribly is wrong, resulting in all kinds of silliness, misdirected...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Regarding Isaiah 45:7, many good translations have 'calamity' in that verse, rather than 'evil.' Neither is a bad translation of the Hebrew there, but that verse should be understood that God brings to pass everything that happens, even what we might consider bad things, either by directly...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    No, that soul is born sinful. Not having sinned, per se, because at the moment of birth, the person has done nothing good or bad. But everyone is born with the same sinful nature ~ proneness/propensity to sin, and thus dead in sin, and in need of salvation. And... Now, I don't mean to throw...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Our sin nature was not "given to us" or "placed upon us" in any way. But mankind did acquire the position of being at enmity with God and thus prone to sin through Adam's act of disobedience in Genesis 3. Actually, Adam and Eve acquired it, and we are in that position from birth. This natural...
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    Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

    See, I really like this post, Phoneman; thank you. However, I would say that Jesus did have an "advantage" (if you want to call it that) over us in the sense that, while 100% man ~ took "the form of a servant... born in the likeness of men... found in human form" ~ He was (and is, of course)...
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    Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

    1stCenturyLady, I appreciate everything you said, and am so glad your burden has been lifted. I agree that 1 John 1:9 is not a "vicious cycle" of any kind. I'm not even sure where that idea even comes from. But it is a great promise ~ enunciated by John, but from God ~ that when we confess...
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    Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

    As a man, He did. As God, He did not need to save Himself. Because He was God in the flesh, He was able to do what other men cannot do ~ save themselves, justify themselves. As the Son of Man, He did this on behalf of all His sheep. I'm sorry you think that, but it's not true. It's a little...
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    Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

    No, because He fulfilled the Law perfectly and did not sin. Therefore, Himself was/is not subject to the wages of sin, which is death. In a real way, as I said before, He accomplished His own salvation by fulfilling the Law perfectly. This doesn't strike me as a complete sentence, but I think...
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    Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

    Of course we do. But that's totally beside the point. LOL! Do you think, 1stCenturyLady, that you don't sin anymore? That, yes, even though we have become slaves of righteous now, that we no longer sin, and therefore have nothing to confess, and ask forgiveness, and repent of? Surely you...
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    Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

    We are able to partake now of what we have in part, but at the Day of Christ will with absolute certainty have in full. We are not fully rid of the "old man," as Paul calls it and you pointed out. This is why we are exhorted to "put off (the) old self, which belongs to (our) former manner of...