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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    My charts are more than lines and numbers, but have words on them and scriptural references. The charts show organization of events.
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    As an analogy of why make a timeline chart of events, when there is a construction project to build a building, a set of specifications (words) and a set of drawings (charts are nothing more than drawings) are made that go together that guide the construction contractor on how to build the building.
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, Paul did not. Paul explained that the rapture will take place before the man of sin is revealed by his going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have a achieved God-hood.
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It does not say the great tribulation of those days for a reason. The reason is that the great tribulation is not over in that verse. Everything in Matthew 24, from verse 15-31 is still future, unfulfilled.
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think the Left Behind books are based on a pre-trib rapture view. My chart is based on the anytime rapture view, i.e. anytime before the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4. Do you have any timeline charts that you have made that fits the events surrounding the rapture...
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Paul in those verses was comforting the Thessalonians, who were thinking that the day of the Lord (Christ) had begun and that they had missed the rapture. See verse 2 in red above. Paul explained to them the day of the Lord would not begin until... 1. the falling away (from believing Jesus...
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    David, the great tribulation will not result in everyone dying like in the flood (except for Noah and his family). The eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage indicates that the world will be at ease when Jesus comes for the rapture. During the great tribulation, the world will...
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The flood lasted 150 days (Genesis 7:24). No eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, during that 150 days. The great tribulation will last 1335 days (Daniel 12:11-12). During that time, the world will not be at ease, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage...
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I have no idea of what you are saying. The coming of Jesus for the rapture has to be at a time when the world is at ease, not in great tribulation.
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I have no idea of what you are saying. The coming of Jesus for the rapture has to be at a time when the world is at ease, not in great tribulation.
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In addition to the trumpet and seal plagues that will take place during the great tribulation, near the very end, the kings of the earth will be assembling their armies at Armageddon. That time will not be a time when the world is at ease, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage...
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Why the rapture cannot be post-trib. verses from Matthew 24: 1. no man knows the day nor hour, but God the Father only. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 2. the world will be at ease, not in great tribulation at the time of...
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. The bride of Christ...
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Day of the Lord is eternal. It has segments to it. It will begin when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood. Peter was speaking about a later segment when this present heaven and earth will be destroyed. That destruction will take place right...
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Each of these verses are in segments. I will explain. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days [the great tribulation is almost over. The tribulation of those days is the 1290 days in Daniel 12:11, beginning when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple...
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Are you Post-trib ?
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, the verse actually says in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Which is in Matthew 24:30a, the sign of the Son of man in heaven. The day being referred to is the day of the Lord. Not a 24 hour day. 1Thessalonian5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so...
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, not left to flee....but left to face further persecution. The fleeing they should have done earlier. Actually, the first time I heard the interpretation I gave you of those verses in Luke 17 was by Jack Van Impe around 20 years ago. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the...
  19. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Luke 17:26-29, people will be at ease. Luke 17:30-37, the time of persecution when the abomination of desolation is setup. Flee, or else possibly be taken and be forced to worship the state image or else.