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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Here is the table I put together of all the end times time frames given in the bible with the specific verses which have the time frames in them. Are any of these found in epistles written by Paul ? No. They are in three books of the bible. Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel.
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    My charts are based on what is in the scriptures. You have no charts because you cannot make a timeline because you have not figured out the end times time frames of events in the bible, how they fit together.
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are the same 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog event. Armageddon is in Ezekiel 39:17-20, at the end of the 7 years. In Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth (sometime in the near future). Ezekiel...
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    None of your questions incorporate the end times time frames of events.
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Go back and incorporate the end times time frame into each of your questions. You have not thought anything through.
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It is not ushering. It is caught up to meet the Lord in the air, to forever be with the Lord, 1Thessalonians4:17. And it is 1Thessalonians 4:14-5:11. You left off the rapture/resurrection verses in 1Thessalonains5:10-11. No one is claiming a 3rd coming. That is post-trib putting words...
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, not a dramatic worldwide change. Are you referring to Israel and the little horn person, leader of ten other EU leaders ? If so, Israel is in place. But the little horn person is yet to be identified, nor the ten other EU leaders. So, once the little horn person (and the ten other...
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    keras, if there is no solar flare event to wipe out the current population of Israel, then there will not be a mass movement of Christians into the vacated land to form a new nation of Beulah. It seems to me that your scenario ends at that point.
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    keras, if the (Soon to happen) solar event does not happen as you interpret the bible, then that throws off the rest of your scenario, correct ?
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The sixth seal is the appearance of the sign of the Son of Man in heaven near the end of the great tribulation. It will signify that the time of the wrath of the Lamb on behalf of the martyred great tribulation saint of the fifth seal has come. Is not the beginning of the day of the Lord...
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The sudden destruction begins when the day of the Lord begins. I presented to you this basic sequence of events. but not in chart form, but a simple single line. the world at ease, marrying, giving in marriage > saying peace and safety > the day of the Lord begins > God's wrath is poured out...
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    the world at ease, marrying, giving in marriage > saying peace and safety > the day of the Lord begins > God's wrath is poured out in the great tribulation > Jesus returns What suddenly begins the day of the Lord ?
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, wrong deduction. The sudden destruction will be during the great tribulation, that will shortly follow the saying "peace and safety". the world at ease, marrying, giving in marriage > saying peace and safety > the day of the Lord begins > God's wrath is poured out in the great...
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    To make a comparison, the different charts would have to be shown and what is information is on each.
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    the world at ease, marrying, giving in marriage > saying peace and safety > the day of the Lord begins > God's wrath is poured out in the great tribulation > Jesus returns What suddenly begins the day of the Lord ?
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    So what are you claiming that the book of Mormon says about the timing of the rapture? The Mormons believe in a post-trib rapture just like you do. You have just become an LDS.
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, quote me as saying... "I maintain that a pre-70th week rapture is possible, but not mandatory."
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Mormonism is based on the book of Mormon. I don't believe in the book of Mormon, nor Mormonism.
  19. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I am not trying to. I maintain that a pre-70th week rapture is possible, but not mandatory. But the post-trib view is eliminated , not possible, because people will not be at ease, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage during the great tribulation when God's wrath is poured...