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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Lord is my teacher. What verse says that the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is the sudden destruction by Jesus at His Second Coming ? Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters...
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think you are interpreting "sudden destruction" as meaning exclusively as death. But destruction has a broader meaning. It can mean the destruction of their homes. their jobs, their retirements, their social order, etc. Of course, I will agree with you that the "sudden destruction"...
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Satan cast down to earth in Revelation 12:12 is the third woe identified what it is. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth. In Revelation 9, the second woe, identified as the flesh tormenting locust creatures, last 5 months. So, the time, times, half time in Revelation 12:14 is roughly 3 1/2...
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. How long is that short time ?
  5. Douggg

    What's next, and who's implementing it?

    Please summarize the series of events that you think from the video presentation are going to happen soon. That will help others understand what SDA believes regarding eschatology. I think this thread is helpful in that regards.
  6. Douggg

    What's next, and who's implementing it?

    I tried to watch it again, but could only stand to watch until minute 30, it was so erroneous. The speaker is claiming that America's population would be cut in half and the economy collapsed in 2025, based on some research company's projection. The speaker has no idea what he is talking...
  7. Douggg

    What's next, and who's implementing it?

    I watched part of it. But the speaker, spoke too fast and somewhat erratic for me. When for a brief second in the background, there appeared an "Amazing facts" picture (Amazing facts is a series by Doug Batchler, SDA), that's what clued me he was SDA. So I then froze the video and began...
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Paul in the verse above was not specific about "what" would trigger the sudden destruction, I agree. But Paul did indicate in that verse "when" - as being at the start of the day of the Lord. Then, 2Thessalonians2:4, Paul informs the Thessalonians, who were troubled thinking the day of the...
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In your post #410, you had Satan cast out of heaven at the time Jesus ascended to heaven after his death and resurrection. However, the text says Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth, after the 1260 days in verse 12:6, and because of a war between Michael and his angels vs Satan and...
  10. Douggg

    What's next, and who's implementing it?

    The speaker is presenting SDA (Seventh Day Adventists) eschatology. I researched the speaker and found another video by him "The Antichrist Power Rising by Scott Ritsema" on You Tube. In the video, he goes through SDA belief of the pope/papacy being the Antichrist. And also mentions...
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The war between Michael and his angels vs Satan and his angels in Revelation 12:7-9 has not been fought yet. Satan will be cast down to earth from the second heaven as a result of that battle. Once cast down to earth, Satan's time will be short - a time, times, half time, i.e. roughly 3 1/2...
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I hold the "no more delay" interpretation because when the 7th trumpet sounds it announces what the third woe will be to the inhabiters of the earth (from Revelation 8:13). The only woe mentioned in the bible after the 7th trumpet is sounded in Revelation 11 is that of Revelation 12:12, Satan...
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The two greatest flaws of the pre-trib view are... 1. that the entire 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9 is "tribulation". 2. insisting the the rapture must happen pre-70th week.
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    post-trib tends to consider that the 7th trumpet sounding in Revelation 11:15 as being the "last trumpet". However, the other criteria for the timing of the rapture is that the world must be at ease, marrying and giving in marriage. Which would not match the great tribulation period, wnen the...
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I suggest leaving the jokes off from the content of your posts. It only invites reciprocation from the other poster. Which tends to spin things into back and forth series of personal emotional attacks. Just present your rationale as to why you believe what you do. And in reciprocation...
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Inserting an image is an option for posters when they make a post. If you don't read some-one's chart, that's your choice. But it does not alter my posting charts that I made, which organize end times events in relation to one another, and in consideration of the end times time frames...
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You and Spiritual Israelite are making posts to each other - talking about other posters which you should be doing in private messages to each other - not as posts in the thread. My charts are about biblical issues - in hopes of getting the thread back to biblical discussion, not gossip between...
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't think that when Jesus Returns that He will destroy the earth.