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  1. PinSeeker

    Dispensationalism

    See, this is not a correct dichotomy, either, Christophany. Not true at all. There is literally... See what I did there? "Literally?" See? See??? :) ...no disagreement about literal nature of any of God's promises to Israel or even the literal nature of Israel. But people will certainly...
  2. PinSeeker

    Dispensationalism

    Characterizing what I see as "allegories" is not correct, marks. That's language is often used to tear down others' viewpoint and build their own up, and that's quite dishonest. Well, you said that, not me. So is that literally true but not literally true? Or not true at all? Allegorical...
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    "The word was a god"?

    Well, I agree and disagree at the same time, which, you'll think is ludicrous, but it is what it is. You tell me this, Pierac (and I'm... quite sure... you'll have an "answer"...): Who is "sitting on the throne" ~ in quotes for a reason; that phrase gets terribly misrepresented in all these...
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    Dispensationalism

    Ah... :) Well yes, 3 days, 12 Apostles, but you're basically saying that apples are... well I was about to say oranges, but I'm not sure that implies fully implies the incongruence of what you're saying here... :) I'm just going to say again that Revelation is an entirely different genre of...
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    Dispensationalism

    I agree, but it's not about the sin itself, but the condition Adam and Eve fell into ~ death in sin ~ and we are all born into, even conceived, in, as David says in Psalm 51, cited above. So, in Adam, the federal head of the human race, we were all represented by him, and therefore in him from...
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    Dispensationalism

    You're missing the point. The point was ~ and I used the example of adultery, but it applies here, too, of course ~ that the actual commandment not to commit murder (or adultery) had a far greater meaning than the Israelites of old realized; that it was a matter of the heart rather than merely...
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    Dispensationalism

    :) Sure. I think you mean "same things" in a much too literal way, there, marks. What I said was, He did not say different things, meaning, the things He said, though said in different ways, were not different in substance. Think of all of Jesus's "but-I-tell-you" statements. For example...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Well, again, this is not a judgment, but a promise. And I would say that there was an immediate fulfillment (but not immediate in the sense we would think of immediacy), and it's what you say here ~ fulfilled in the day of His first appearing (although we could validly say it was not finished...
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    Dispensationalism

    Um, but that's what they are, really. Yes, of course; all God's promises have their 'yes' in Christ. This is what Paul says in 2 Corinthians 1:20, and it really wraps up everything I'm about to say in this entire post. That may sound ridiculous, but... Okay. The root of the issue is a...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    This was promised when Adam and Eve fell, Earburner. Genesis 3:15. Surely you know that. It was not a judgment, but a promise of redemption and blessing. Grace and peace to you.
  11. PinSeeker

    "The word was a god"?

    Pierac, Jesus speaks of His glorious throne: "Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne..." (Matthew 19:28) Now, this is the "new world" Jesus is referring to, the new heaven and new earth ~ Revelation 21 ~ and in there, God says: "Behold, the...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    In a certain way, that could be correct; the term judgment is used in more than one way in the Bible, and is understood in different ways. God issues judgments all through the Bible, and for different reasons, but these judgments are never a good thing. On the other hand, Jesus, upon His...
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    Dispensationalism

    The Church of Jesus Christ is the Israel of God. But the Church has not "replaced" anything. The people of God in the Old Testament are the Israelites, for sure, and for the most part ethnic Jews ~ some foreigners were welcomed in along the way, foreshadowing the grafting in of Gentiles in the...
  14. PinSeeker

    Is Sunday the "New Covenant Sabbath"?

    Like 99% of all Sunday School questions, the answer this question, too, essentially, is "Jesus." :) At creation, God set aside the seventh day to be a day of holy rest and worship for His image bearers. He appointed the Sabbath day to be a symbol of the promise of entering into His eternal...
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    "The word was a god"?

    Well, if one is deceived, BGTF, he/she can say anything and get around anything, and certainly will. To use a golf analogy, if one strikes a golf ball and cuts across the ball with the clubface at impact, the ball is not going to end up in the fairway, and there's a really good chance that it...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    No, that's not the basis at all, Earburner. I've been clear that the immediate basis for understanding that man is eternal ~ future only, of course, not past ~ is Genesis 1:26-27 (emphasis mine)... "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion...
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    "The word was a god"?

    Such is your opinion, I understand. And I respect it, but Scripture says otherwise, even the opposite. And of course you will say that's my opinion, and I'm... okay with that. :) Sure. And people mean different things by it. You use it derisively, to disparage ~ frankly speaking, to tear...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    FIRST AND SECOND RESURRECTION, FIRST AND SECOND DEATH The above, most clearly what Paul speaks of in Ephesians 2:4-10, Peter in 1 Peter 1:3-5, and John in Revelation 20:4-6, is is the first resurrection, and it is spiritual, and specific only to God's elect. The second resurrection is general...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD I am in full agreement with the previous assertion regarding Jesus's statement here in Luke 9 that Jesus is referring to those who don’t love the Father as being spiritually (not symbolically) dead. So, even more literally, let unbelievers bury unbelievers, even...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Wow. You take a couple of days off, and come back, and so many different things have entered into the conversation... :) Okay, I'm just going to make a few points about where I stand on some of these things, and people can address them or not as they please: HELL Hell is most assuredly a...