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  1. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    No thanks. :) B-I-B-L-E... that's the Word for me... :) Grace and peace to you, Skovand1075.
  2. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I'm not sure of the point it is you're trying to make, to be quite honest. These are not judgments, but condemnations. God places judgments because of His condemnation of all sin. However, there is a judgment on all mankind now, because of Adam's actions in Genesis 3. The question for...
  3. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yeah, see below... Great! Concerning the KJV: "Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed." (Genesis 19:17, KJV) I mean, it's not wrong. It's no different, other than in just language usage, than: "Escape for...
  4. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yeah arguing about the soul... that's a bit of a rabbit hole, and really beside the point, despite your thoughts on it. You can decline to read what I said or accept it, though, surely. Actually, there are several truths in there... You tell me, since you know. :) (Flashback to Job...) :)...
  5. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Both can be meant in different ways depending on context. To refuse to acknowledge that is hard-headedness, frankly. No, I didn't call you Frankly. :) So you think, I get it. But that's not the sense of "dead" or "destroyed" in the Bible. It's a spiritual death, destroyed in spirit...
  6. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Hm. Okay... Disagree. She looked back on Sodom and Gommorah, disobeying/disregarding the angel's instruction not do do so (Genesis 19:17). We don't know why she looked back, because we are not told that in Scripture. Jesus does reference her, telling us to remember her, in Luke 17:32, but...
  7. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Acknowledged, you have. That's why I'm not asking you what you mean or believe. Well, not in community, actually, but in another place, yes. Community is a gift to us from God, and as such is a grace. But Scripture is very clear that when Jesus returns, upon execution of the final Judgment...
  8. PinSeeker

    "The word was a god"?

    Nope. Preeminent over all creation; this was Paul's context, and in the same context as David centuries before being elevated to the firstborn over all his older brothers and even over all of Israel as king. Jesus is the Greater David. As John tells us, Jesus was not created, but rather...
  9. PinSeeker

    "The word was a god"?

    Very sorry to hear that, Tigger. Prayers on your behalf, my friend. Grace and peace to you.
  10. PinSeeker

    "The word was a god"?

    Well... sure, but in this post, Aunty Jane, you say this, and then you deny that it does work both ways, really. Ah yeah, "Christendom." <chuckle> :) This is just propaganda, Aunty Jane. Do you not see "Jehovah's-Witness-dom" (see what I did there?) as a further division (to speak in the...
  11. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    He gave them life, creating them in His image. Future eternality of being is part of that. I get it; you disagree. But I've been quite clear, and more than once. Not the case at all. See above. Yes, yes, fire and destruction. As I've said many times before, this fire is God's judgment...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    He didn't. He did not "impart a percentage of His eternal Being into Adam via 'the breath of life' as an eternally living soul." Did you understand me to be saying that? Surely not. God's eternality is from eternity past to eternity future; He is self-existing. We are not self-existing, of...
  13. PinSeeker

    "The word was a god"?

    Hm. Well, rather than lies, I would just attribute it to spiritual blindness, ByGraceThroughFaith. And argue as you might, even as cogently and as plainly as can possibly be, you will not be able to open their eyes. Only God, by the Father's will and the working of the Holy Spirit in their...
  14. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    You "hope I understand..." LOL! I don't completely disagree with your assertion here, though. :) Rather than a "two stage process," it's both a "now" (as in already accomplished and given) and "not yet" (as in an ongoing process) thing. In this life, we are both saved and redeemed and being...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    We are all created in His image. Created, so not self-existing as the triune Jehovah God is ~ in His image. As I said, that means many things, not all of which our finite minds can grasp. But one of them is that we will exist ~ in one state/place or the other ~ into eternity future. No, they...
  16. PinSeeker

    "The word was a god"?

    Well, to be fair, he thinks he's telling the truth, so he's not really lying, right? I mean, he's surely not telling the truth, but he's not actually lying; we have another word or two for what's actually going on... :) Grace and peace to you, BGTF.
  17. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    The "logic" in this statement is quite backwards, Earburner. But it's nothing new; many times, when folks decide to believe what they want to believe, they create their own support of it, and sometimes to the point of incredulity. No offense to you, but... it is what it is. No, He created man...
  18. PinSeeker

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    You missed the point entirely. Or avoided it, possibly. No matter, the result is the same. Well, that issue really boils down to what it really means that God created us in His image. Annihilationism, which you seem to be advocating here, is completely unbiblical. As Jesus said, "...an hour...
  19. PinSeeker

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Well, so much for being given the last word... He of course he was a trinitarian, knowing full well the triune nature of our God. Well, he was... He's not with us anymore... :) ...but many of us will see him again and share in the new heaven and new earth with him. And Jesus, of course...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I'm... not sure why you're asking this question, Earburner. I agree, but again, I'm not sure what connection you're trying to make. Seems like you're talking about two very disparate things. Well, people definitely have to breathe to stay alive, yes... :) Grace and peace to you.