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I'm not familiar with that "sprinkling/rain" idea. It may be comparable--I've just never heard of it.

Your ideas are missing a bunch of what is in the scriptures. But first, I didn't say "me" in the quote you made of what I said. I said, "we all." As for knowing or not knowing--you may not know, but I do, I've been there, caught up in the spirit. Besides, Jesus said, "whoever believes in me...

You are making the sign a religious practice. It has no power--it is just a sign that was to point to the life given by the Spirit. It is as Jesus said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is...

I see still waters run deep. No, but you have chosen being born of water rather than being born [again] of the spirit of God, as a form of religious practice that only points to the baptism of Jesus which is "with the Holy Spirit and with fire." However, "It is the Spirit who gives life" and...

That is still mostly what has been taught by men--not that one cannot make a case for it with the scriptures, but it just isn't so. It is the "successive" part that Paul spoke of that is true of all. Just as all are born in their "own order", so too all die in their own order. And now that we...

Please use the "Reply" feature when replying or no one will know you responded or to whom. It's very helpful. There is no biblical requirement for "water" baptism. The passages that speak of baptism do not specify "water." However, the scriptures do specify baptism by the "Spirit." But I do...

Indeed, however, what is missing in most people's understanding is that it is only a one-time event with God and from that heavenly side of the equation, "but each one in his own order" individually from the world's side of the equation and perspective as experienced throughout all of time (as...

Indeed, it is "just some guy" for many, but not for all. God Himself also has a "voice." But again--great point! Start a thread: "Just some guy told me." --I love it!

That was not the point--two words was not the point--semantics was not the point. I get your attempt to point out the errors of translation--good point--thank you! But there are no coincidences. The confusion over use of language was admittedly created by God Himself. This is the way things are...

Sorry to be just popping in after not reading all 4 pages of the thread...but you make a good point on the two testaments, and yet that is not the point. You have essentially brought up two separate issues: That of Two Testaments and two sets of terms, as well as the issue of Baptism. I suspect...

In any other context that would be a logical and solid argument. But in the proper context, where the rule is not use of language, but spiritual discernment of admitted parables stated in "likeness", one must rather [spiritually] read between the lines. Of course wackos do the same thing, only...

Why pick the word that is a bad translation? What about "forever" and "ever lasting" or "neverending?" So what if they're all just poor attempts? Why see everything through the lens of created terms, why not through the Creator's terms?

Ronald, you quoted the scripture above which says, "the sign" is "in heaven." Why are you not also saying "the sign" is "in heaven?"

Cv Wahr 2 is cryptic, cold, WW. It's happening now. 2 puppets and 2 masters, many strings, all levels. In the world, watch the money. In the heavens, it's a sting. Pringles and preludes, an enactment on a much smaller scale. Not the great tribulation, only part. Pray. I've said enough. Do not...

@Davy Here: 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy...

It is the..."Man of sin" 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Whoever "is without sin among you, let him" give his name.

What translation are you using?? Here is the KJV: 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war...

Likewise a false witness.

With what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

Your not understanding the scriptures and/or me explaining them to you, does not make me a "heretic" (name-calling) any more than it would make Jesus a heretic for explaining that one must be born again to Nicodemus. Nonetheless, I did not "deny the literal physical visible event of the return...