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Yes, that can be said of many men, and it is simply carnal. But then why do people justify it? This is a general observation, and not personal, and goes not for all. But I find that there is a patriotic Christianity that is rampant in the USA. We put the flag in our church. Some go as far as...

The free gift is grace. Salvation is not earned, rather it is worked out. Salvation is not just God overlooking our faults, but it is God transforming us so that we would sin no more. We are to be participants in this salvation. I like the analogy of the birds. :) It is another for the bread...

You add to what I said. I said we all need kicking and prodding, and we all need to kick and prod each other. If we are in Christ... We are our brothers keeper! If I prod, I only expect to see the same happen to myself. This is iron sharpening iron. I am not a judge or a task master... But a...

Why did Jesus come to earth, when he didn't approve of it's deeds? Silly him... keep your heavenly kingdom to yourself, we have our own! The above is the thinking of many Americans. We have a government, we have a way, it works! Why do you tell us of another?

To Selene, they were the first generation of Christians specifically where they lived, if you will. In other words, they had not been born in Christian families, rather they were brought to Christ by the coming of Paul. There is a difference between fearing... And wisdom! And wisdom is...

Do you use the fact that you worked ten years in athletics to lord it over others, and automatically discount a point they are making? Indeed, any music can be used to pump up the flesh. It depends where it goes.... You could say by this then that metal is the same. In a sense, yes, it is up to...

All that you say, Vengle, can just as well be applied to you, depending on one would see you. That's a silly play on words to prop oneself up. Once again, we see someone claiming themselves right on the sole basis of the fact they believe they are right. What's that called? Measuring yourself...

You avoid the point. Whoever walks in God's authority is to be feared, because it's God's authority. The point is this... So are angels like Jesus, or is Jesus an angel? (Yes, this is a loaded question)

Amen! Watch this difference... John tells us that if we are in Christ, we have eternal life... now. And Paul tells us if we are faithful, and suffer with him, we will be glorified with him. We walk in eternal, going to glory, the full stature of Christ. In Matt. 25, the judgment of the...

Gentiles are grafted in. All men, Jews and Gentile, are being called to the new creation in Christ Jesus.

Thanks for sharing, Nomad. Only I looked up protokos in strongs and the definition there was firstborn. Where did you get this definition? Maybe a breakdown of the Greek words that form protokos would clear this up. Here's something... Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who...

I know this wasn't addressed to me... But this is the thought I had. :) I agree with this that the woman must learn to let the man take the lead. Men must be the head, and this is the order of God. This he honors. I would say don't marry such a woman unless the Lord leads you to, because then...

Let's reason together. What I find ironic, Vengle (and I tell you this with love :) ), is your reaction, and here is why: if this is indeed indoctrination, of which you have been freed, you should be able to see the fault in my reasoning and expose it. You would not blindly believe what you do...

So, I started by looking at the verse and looked up the words in Greek. Here is the verse, with other possible meanings to the words in brackets. 2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light [the same word as candle, or lantern]...

Yes. It is Christ who justifies, but he does not justify the wicked! If at least we are seeking to obey God and do what is right, and this with enough humility to see our faults, he can teach us.

What happens here is that you already are assuming this is indoctrination. :rolleyes: Do you make the rules of what is indoctrination and what isn't? Have you arrived at all truth? ;) All things were created BY him, and through him... God? Yes. Christ? Yes. :)

Yes, by emphasizing HAD I meant to say that from the beginning it was NECESSARY, but I did mean it in the sense of it still happening, we have to be trained. :) I see the devil as indeed having been great with God, after all, that is what caused his fall, he was taken by his own beauty, the...

Then we are being led by our senses, rather than the Spirit. Our training on this earth is to be able to stand on nothing but the command of God and the power of his Spirit. We are here to be weaned from our senses... Feeding them is never a good tactic! An athlete runs on adrenaline when he...

Are you done learning, Vengle? Brother, I don't get why you play the 'your indoctrination gets in the way' card rather than convince me, if your are so sure. ;) Understand that I say this in love, but to get a point across. Here's why this also doesn't work... When we are walking in the Spirit...

Agreed. :) I think part of the reason is that we HAD to be trained. The devil fell because he was given more glory than he could handle... And the same can happen to us, thus a we can fall 'under the condemnation of the devil'. The current situation allows for us to be trained and to have to...