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No, obviously I don't believe that at all. But when someone is saved, they receive eternal life, at that point. That is why we are told that we are raised with Christ and that we are seated in the heavenly places with Christ. "Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This...

I don't think I do agree with this. I think it denies a number of important Scriptures. John 6:53. "I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the...

I think I know what you are asking. You are asking if Christ suffered death instead of us, so that you can then ask, Why do we still die then? If that's correct, perhaps you will confirm ASAP, and I will answer as soon as I can.

I have not suggested but joyfully proclaimed that Christ willingly took upon Himself the death, punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty for sin. Christians are already raised from the dead and already seated with Christ in the heavenly places (Romans 6:11 etc., Ephesians...

This strikes me as being liberal revisionism and I question that 'most contemporary scholars' hold to it. But to suggest that God had to pay a ransom to a 'principle of sin and death' is hardly any better than that He paid a ransom to Satan. I reject it utterly. Aulen's view has been...

You know the full extent of your obsession, but part of it is that you can hardly send me a post without mentioning him in a derogatory way. Please stop. Insult him all you want - he can look after himself - but don't do it in posts to me. I know; but that is only a small part of His work...

On reflection, I believe that what I wrote here is quite a serious error, denying the simplicity of God. :oops: We must not divide up the attributes of God. His love is a righteous and holy love; His justice is holy and loving, and His holiness is just and loving. And so forth; His wrath is...

You obscured your questions with accusations and insults against @David Taylor and therefore to say nothing would have implied that I agreed with your snide comments against him. You seem at present to be a bit obsessed with him. I think you need to get over it. Ar all events, if you are...

I think that @David Taylor, like myself, sees no reason to answer your questions when you don't answer ours. Moreover, on post '311 of the 'Penal Substitution is not a theory' thread, I answered a whole pile of your questions and you promptly ignored them. However, if I can shed a little light...

Everyone supposes that Origen held to a weird form of 'Ransom Theory' in which he maintained that God made a ransom payment to Satan, yet....... 'In the most recent times, God has manifested his righteousness and given Christ to be our redemption. He has made him our propitiator.......for God...

What was it, O our God, Led You to give Your Son, To yield Your well-beloved For us by sin undone? Unbounded love led You to give Your well-loved Son that we might live. What led the Son of God To leave His throne on high, To shed His precious blood, To suffer and to die? Unbounded love for...

Just to let you know that I shall not be on the board for at least a couple of days. One of my oldest and closest friends has died today. It's not sad for him because his many sins are forgiven him and he is with his Lord and Saviour. But it's sad for me that I shall not see him again after...

I do not believe the debate is about semantics and nor, I imagine, does @John Caldwell. Otherwise we would both have given up on it by now. The reason I see this discussion as important is that unless the Lord Jesus Christ has taken your sins and mine upon Himself and paid the penalty for them...

Ah! Theology 101. 'Always read to the end of the chapter.' ;) The righteousness of God that is apart from the law (Romans 3:21) is through faith in Jesus Christ (v.22). But, 'Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! [KJV, 'God forbid!'] On the contrary, we establish the...

Have you covered the reason why God gave us to the Lord Jesus but He still has to pay a price to redeem us? If you did, would you please give me the post number. It gets bewildering sifting through all the posts. @CharismaticLady; Not too much Scripture, but actually no explanation in the...

We were given by God to the Lord Jesus to redeem (John 6:39 etc.). Now if God gave us to Christ, why would He need to pay a price? Something for you to think about while I go to bed.

Revelation 5:9. 'You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for you were slain, and have redeemed [NIV. 'purchased'] us to God by Your blood......' To redeem or purchase anything there is always a price. :)

My sincere apologies for not replying to this post. I did see it, but then I got tied up in other threads and forgot all about it. :oops: If it were a synecdoche, it would still be a very strange way for the Holy Spirit to express Himself because, as I explained above, ἁμαρτίαν appears twice...

First of all, my apologies; I only just noticed your post. I am dipping in and out of the forum rather rapidly due to other priorities, and must have overlooked it. When you say "the verse," I assume you mean Hebrews 5:8-9, but what do you mean by "The context is Hebrews 10"? The Lord Jesus was...

I did give my understanding of these verses on another thread, but it really is no good saying that Christ learned obedience as we might, since He was already obedient. I think you need to explain exactly what you understand by the term. As I have also written before, punishment (or...