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That prophecy is paralleled by Matthew 24:31 where the angels gather the Lord's people from all around the world, to meet Him, then to where Jesus will be; in Jerusalem. That 1 Thess scripture undeniably states; we will be with the Lord forever. Where will He be forever? ON EARTH !! Revelation...

Heb, I agree that September 21-23 will be a significant time. Where you and I disagree, is what will happen on that Appointed Day. Habakkuk 2:3-4, Psalms 75:2-3, Acts 17:31

Strongs G5043 Teknon ; from the base of, a child; as produced ; Child, a daughter or a son. Where did you learn Greek? Your false belief leads you to compound your errors. Where does Paul and John teach a rapture to heaven? 1 Thess 4:15-17 just says those who remain will be transported to...

Congratulations, you have avoided being deceived by the false rapture to heaven doctrine. What is 'it' that will happen? What will be the next prophesied event? It cannot be the Return of Jesus in glory for His Millennium reign, because much is prophesied to happen before that. Jesus gave us...

The word 'teknon' simply means 'child' and it is plainly referring to the male child in the same verse, who is Jesus. You are simply assuming that Church is meant, to suit your rapture belief. Jesus was taken to heaven at His Ascension. Making teknon mean the Church and thinking they go to...

Thanks BuddyT for keeping this thread going. It is now just as Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 - people will believe fables and stop their ears to the truth.... People who post on this subject must be clear about where the 'rapture' takes them. The 1 Thess 4:15-17 prophecy is about a 'harparso' a...

I believe that the very existence of the State of Israel today, surely places us in the Latter Days. Therefore, correct understanding of the end times should be the aim of every Christian believer. We need not be taken unawares of coming earth shattering events. The Lord has called us to be His...

All Israel shall be saved. Romans 11:26-27, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. The quotation Paul uses is from Isaiah...

Tell me; exactly who is the true Israel? Note that Jesus called the Jews, those of Satan's synagogue, who falsely claim to be Jewss and He will make them fall at your [Christians] feet. Revelation 3:9 Thinking that the current inhabitants of Israel, the Jesus rejecters, atheistic, LGBT, idol...

Notice how Israel and Judah are carefully kept separate in the prophesies. Over 160 times this is done; they have separate destinies. The House of Judah has been cut off from the Olive tree; that is Jesus, Matthew 21:43, and only individual Jews who accept Jesus will be grafted back into it...

At Jesus’ first Advent, He devoted His ministry to the Jewish people, in the holy Land. He said: I was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel and to them only. Matthew 15:24 So the Jews were lost spiritually, but so were the rest of Israel, in dispersion. Paul alludes to them; Acts...

Actually we do know who the 144,000 are. Rev 7 and 14 tell us that Jesus [revealed to His people; 2 Thess 1:10] selects them out of the vast multitude, who are gathered in Jerusalem, soon after the Sixth Seal disaster has cleared all the holy Land of its current inhabitants. Jeremiah 10:18...

The terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, is the Sixth Seal. All the vividly prophesied effects will be caused by a massive CME explosion of the sun. Isaiah 30:25-30, Malachi 4:1 There will be another, smaller CME at the 4th Bowl, Revelation 16:8-9 Go to the Attack now: Elam, Aram and Kir! The...

144k is an abbreviation of 144,000. Their going out in pairs is the way missionaries operate, as shown in Luke 10:1-10. And that is their task, proved by Isaiah 66:19. Saying it is an angel who proclaims the coming Kingdom, contradicts the Isaiah prophecy. Also, as we see from Revelation, most...

Your reason for bringing up this subject seems be that the present Established Church is not the true Church of God. Be that as it may be, what you need to understand is God's reason for selecting the 144k. They are to be selected by Jesus, Rev 14:1-5, from out of the vast multitude described...

Josho, We are as in the days of Noah. They may have had wars, etc, but Jesus said they ate, drank and got married, just as we are today. Their problem and ours today, is failing to acknowledge our Creator God. And ignoring His Commandments. As for Sodom, etc, LBGT is ascendant, just try to...

God’s Holy People in the Last Days: Daniel 8:23-26 In the last days, when sin is most prevalent, a powerful leader will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does, and will take control of the mighty nations and God’s holy people. By cunning and deceit, his plans will come about and cause great...

Shock and Awe, the Lord’s Day of Wrath: How bad will the Lord’s response to the attack of Psalm 83 be? When the sun explodes out a massive CME…. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-3 When the Arm of the Lord descends in anger…..Isaiah 30:30, Zephaniah 3:8 When He flashes lightning and fiery coals onto...

Art Katz also said: Nothing has more disarmed the Church of the necessity for preparation, discipleship and maturity that can stand strong in faith, in these end times; than the mistaken idea of a rapture to heaven, so they won’t have to face the Lord’s wrath.

None of those prophesies say anything about going to heaven. That whole idea is made up from inference and wishful thinking.