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Hey - I don't deny that such matters deserve discussion and you are welcome to start a thread accordingly. Our focus is different - here folks are invited to contribute to a friendly discussion around the text we are reading without the heavy weight of contention so common on other threads. It...

Is that what I said? No, it is not. So why make it sound as though I did?? Not cool. I quote you... "But we need to understand and receive the word even though some abuse their position." Personally I would move on and seek fellowship that expresses the Fruit of the Spirit.

Interesting response - submit to abusive unaccountable leadership ? I trust the Biblical model - currently in fellowship with wise, humble, loving leadership. Yes - we take the Bible seriously here and as it reads, "Lording it over" is not the way of Jesus.

Branches of the modern church have elevated leadership to the extent that there is little accountability. "Do not touch the Lord's anointed" was commonly quoted - leadership became untouchable and isolated, then smitten by the enemy of souls. 'Lording it over' is the prevailing culture in...

Leaders fall because they fail to be in mutual submission. Mark 10:42-45 And Jesus called them to him and said to them, “You know that those who are considered rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. But it shall not be so among you. But...

Mod's do not allow debate on Trinity - lets desist and return to Acts please.

Nicene Creed - bit more detailed... See post #697 Will kick things off again in a couple of days... Welcome aboard !!!

Hi there, Nice to hear from you again. We are working through Acts and I introduce a chapter every 10-14 days. We have created a friendly space to hear a variety of angles on the text without the head banging that usually goes on. Those who don't hold mainstream views usually can't agree...

They are in perfect unity and mutually submitted sharing the same authority. However we must not debate the Trinity - I suggest being careful to agree with the Nicene Creed.

OK interesting take, however Jesus was given the Father's name above every name and the Name equates to Authority. This same Name is shared by the Father and the Son as recordrd twice in John 17. As in the body of Christ there is to be mutual submission reflecting how it is in the Godhead...

I don't think rank applies to the Godhead except for a short season during the earthly life of Jesus.

Yes I do too, but when it applies is the issue I guess...

This was spoken of Joseph not Jesus.

First off Jesus had no beginning as He is part of the timeless order of Melchizedek. Secondly His appointed function was always to assume human form via human birth - This makes Him the only begotten Son of the Father conceived by the Spirit. However mystery remains and our human minds can't...

We are no allowed to debate the Trinity so I will tread carefully. The terms Father and Son do not convey the total Truth of the mystery of how the Godhead relates because although God chose to speak about Himself in human terms, this was never meant to be and could not be the total Truth of...

Guys... We have a gate. It enables us to share freely without endless arguments about fundamentals of the faith. Mainstream churches recognise this ancient agreement as valid. There is nothing unfriendly about defining conditions of entry. The Nicene Creed does not say Water Baptism is...

Acts 7 begun at Post #671 :gd

Are you indicating you don't agree with the Nicene Creed or just casually suggesting improvements from your POV ?

Yes - you raise an interesting issue... Being a prodigal son I was way off track for about 11 years and returned. Also when I was Baptised in the Spirt this was accompanied by deep repentance, yet I was born again 17 years earlier. Seeing the gulf between His Holiness and my heart of flesh it...

This Creed is agreed to by main stream churches... The Nicene Creed: We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from...