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When someone calls truth a lie they show that they are at best very confused. Especially when they cannot support their fantasy whatsoever with Scripture You offered a verse looking at some martyrs in heaven during the tribulation as some sort of proof that the tribulation could not possibly be...

Complete nonsense because it is talking about a heaven scene with people killed in the tribulation are wondering how long before Jesus stops the wicked world leader etc. That does not mean the tribulation is not raging full force at that time. Your point is mooted totally. That is like coming to...

I'll check it out when I get time. The strategy here for some posters is to desperately avoid calling the last years the wrath of God, but only the 20 minutes Jesus returns and destroys the wicked (or whatever time in a day that takes). That way they think they can say we do get appointed to...

Some of it yes of course. Did you think a quarter of people dying on earth etc etc in the seals was a picnic in the park? Obviously the final vengeance when Jesus returns is the final scene of the wrath. You do not get to ignore the rest though, as pointed out there are many days of vengeance as...

I think so too. But what does that have to do with the Rapture happening before the AntiChrist is revealed?

I do not think all people on earth are either at that battle, or would want to be. Nor, of course does Scripture say anything like that. I would think they are already fallen away for the most part. But sure, no doubt this continues Sounds right to me. A Rapture before a revealing.

The wicked are killed. Some were maybe not really preached the gospel to understand much. Some were good to His children in that evil time. They will not die with the wicked I would assume.

No, it just is not completed yet. It is being poured out already in that seal You tell us. Then tell us how it relates to the topic and point

This isn't a gameshow. Tell us when you think you have a point

That is true that He sends wrath from above as well as brings it when He comes. The wrathful events of the tribulation culminate with His return. You seek to pigeonhole it all into one 45 minute period or whatever. (just the day He returns to earth) The days that the earth is in travail like a...

Jesus does not come to the earth till after the tribulation. The seals are in the tribulation generally. He sends wrath from heaven

Says you Your record so far is spamming off tangent verses that are not even related to what you want to preach. So we shall see.

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and...

How would it not be? Explain

Nothing about a reservation. If someone says that the day of wrath has come near the end of the tribulation, does that mean there was no wrath from God before that? Does that mean that all the death and horrors that come in the tribulation before the day Jesus returns don't count? That would be...

Yet if it is part of the seals, then all the seals are part of it. Why would we ignore all the horrors God sends to the earth in wrath and judgment and call only the last bit wrath? It does not say that. So the same people who said this had seen all the judgments from God and knew this was the...

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. That sounds like it is part of the terrible events that happen in that last time. Before...

Where does it say in scripture that the seals and events in the last seven years are not the wrath of God? Your only strategy here would be to try to limit what is called the wrath of God to the very end of the tribulation or when Jesus returns. That doesn't fly.

Yes Israel is a big part of the reason for the tribulation. Looking at the results in the very end though we see that the vast vast vast vast vast majority of sheep are from various nations and peoples etc. While this also is the time of Jacob's trouble. it is a whole lot bigger than that.