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  1. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    True. I think some of the posters here don't care so much if people are saved or not in regards to the Rapture. There are some who think that something other than the blood of Jesus (add some good works or watching, overcoming etc) is needed to be in the Rapture. Their idea is that He is going...
  2. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Sad. I guess the time to get oil (come to Jesus in heart) is now, while it is still (barely) day. One point also in that parable is that what mattered was what inside their 'lamps'
  3. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Right in other words they were not saved by believing in Jesus. When 10 women get suddenly woke up in the night, they have no time to do anything much. If this was the Rapture that happens in a moment of time, then they *the foolish) would be found lacking. I don't see how one could apply that...
  4. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    You can light a dry wick any time of the day or night and the result is the same. The women woke from sleep in the night when they heard the cry go out. It was showtime. They knew it was finally time. The wise women (saved) had oil of the spirit in them already. They took that with them wherever...
  5. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The verse said the foolish ones did not bring any oil. Why would we assume the word of God is wrong? If there was oil maybe they would stay lit long enough to get Raptured! Too bad they were foolish and had no oil. At least the bible does not say they had any. It does say they did not bring...
  6. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Matthew 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. So the foolish took how much oil? A little? No. NO oil! Ha Case closed. Now if some camper was not a fool we might tell them that a lamp...
  7. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    An analogy needs to work. The issue is whether the gals were saved or not. If 5 were not, then they had no oil. (if the oil represents the spirit) So that could explain why when they were found foolishly unprepared (having a little oil might not qualify as foolish) that they needed to run off...
  8. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Bic lighters and trees and shoes and fireplaces and matches are not lamps. Cars are not lamps. You seem intent on wanting the lamps of the women who missed the Rapture to have had oil. Proof?
  9. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Cars cannot run without gas (or power) Lamps have wicks and can burn a short while. Show us where in the passage that it states they had oil? You made claims support them
  10. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The unsaved had no oil so of course their lamps would go out. Try lighting a lamp with no oil as see. It can be done, but won't last long! Another thing about unlit lamps is that they look the same whether there is oil in them or not! Just light them and you soon find out.
  11. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Since we will not be here in that wrath of God, He did not lie when He said that nothing would prevail over the church.
  12. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Great so they will rise from the dead and join the living Christians at the Rapture The bible is clear we will be gathered in the air to meet Jesus, the dead in Christ and also those alive who believe. We don't get a vote. Thank you.
  13. dad

    Why was "the Tree" placed in the center of the garden (orchard)

    Jesus created us. That is a reason. He had reasons in mind, so that is a reason. One of those reasons was choice. To choose Jesus or Satan, the tree of life or the other one. Jesus has everything to do with creation.
  14. dad

    Why was "the Tree" placed in the center of the garden (orchard)

    There was a clear choice for us. Since that is the or one of the central reasons man was created, it makes sense. Jesus wants people who choose Him.
  15. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    That depends on who is being judged. Rev 12 is about a woman who also brought Jesus forth. Jesus started the church so it sure was not the church! So that, once again has nothing to do with the Rapture. Keep trying you mat accidentally hit on a verse that somewhat pertains one day. No, you made...
  16. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    They are having a marriage supper and rewards are handed out and they get to meet Jesus and all their departed loved ones etc etc. Then we return to the earth with Jesus! Then we rule the world for the 1000 years to start. We also get to know our new city of gold, New Jerusalem. Not sure how you...
  17. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    His foot stands on the mount of Olives WHEN He returns to earth from heaven with us. That is not the Rapture. Not relevant. Badmouthing truth you cannot deal with or refute or even make a feeble case for your 'no heaven' nonsense is of no worth. You were given it several times, Jesus ascended...
  18. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Virgins are not usually at weddings these days:) Bridegooms do not usually get announced at midnight with a shout. People do not usually need lamps to gain access to a wedding party. Etc The point in the story is that some people were not ready. Some were. The one's who were not missed the...
  19. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to...
  20. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Yes in the air here over the earth. Then we go to where He is and that is in heaven. Need proof that is where Jesus lives?? Think of it this way, We get picked up in the air here, and then we all go home. He prepared a pace for us, a city. That is our home. Not clouds. We just meet in the clouds...