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Thanks for getting me caught up. Just think if you have something really important and a legitament concern, trying to get the message out in todays world.

How would you describe a walk in which the denial of self could be applied?

So what would be the "evidence" in our walk as you see it?

In my understanding, God spends way more of His time and resources keeping people out of heaven, than like a beggar sitting on the street corner hat in hand , saying," will you please accept me?" If He has foreknowledge about all things, His efforts would be exerted to change a foreknown...

Yet Jacob had to trick Esau out of His birthright!

Hi Helen, my name is Jay and new to this forum. I haven't read through the entire thread but wanted to give my understanding on it. I've been trying to wrap my head around your first question, when is a Christian not Christian? Because it's kind of a contradiction based upon a misunderstanding...

You remind me of the 8 year old boy who picks on the little girl at the school yard. He puts on a good front like he doesn't like her, when he secretly does. When the Father draws us to Christ, it manifests itself as pondering about things relating to Him alot. Stop kicking against the bricks...

Just an observation.

Repentance simply means to make a turn in our mind. God the Fathers calls a small group out , from among a larger group. Repentance is simply a mental turn or response towards the caller, the Father. Nobody comes to Christ unless the Father draws or calls them. Repentance, on it's own doesn't...

Depends on who you mean by us.

I also said the scriptures don't tell us what happens and what it feels like to have the mind of Christ. Not what it means to have the mind of Christ.

Ok , what happened when you received the mind of Christ? What did it feel like? Your personal experience. Then validate it with God's word.

Like I touched on in an earlier post. Scripture tells us if we have the Spirit of Christ, we also have the Mind of Christ. A really gifted teacher can point out the examples of what happens when the Spirit of Christ is given to someone. But there is no evidence of what happens and what it feels...

More fully. That didn't really answer my question.

Are you saying having the scriptures available to someone is a requirement for having the mind of Christ?

For me the relationship with Christ is my guide, by true faithing. Scripture reflects His work in us, like a mirror.

That's been agreed upon and established. What's missing is personal understandings of what happens and what it's like to have the mind of Christ. Without parroting scripture.

The mind of Christ is simple, that's for sure. But common definitely not.

Great reply Pearl. Is this an educated guess, or does it come from your personal experience?

Lol, I love you man! Keep an eye out for some threads I'll start in the near future. I think I got some info that might interest you. Or we could do it PM?