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Well describe your understanding of how Faith is applied at the very beginning of the salvation journey.

Ya, not even close. The gift is the calling to Christ by the Father, not the response to the call. The reason it's a gift is not everyone is called out. The Greek is very specific. The Father calls a small group out from among a larger group of those who are not called out. That's the gift...

That answered my question!

Let me ask you, how do you come to they determination that Faith applied doesn't have work, courage, and effort associated with it. And we're just talking about the application of Faith, pisteuo in the Greek, a verb! Not Grace!

Repentance simply means to turn. It's a mental turning in our mind from our way to His way. Nobody comes to Christ unless the Father calls them, repentance is turning into the direction of the caller. It can be done over and over again as long as the Father continues to call. Repentance on it's...

No your way off. Your not really interested are you? Your content in your believing, right?

There is a few mandatory, first day of school truths that must be understood to even begin to understand God and His ways. One of them, is that God has a completely different framework of understanding than we or the world does. God's framework of understanding is paradoxical in comparison to...

Thanks Jbf, Believing in what Christ did and promises along with water baptism, can't result in the Spirit of Christ being sealed into us. That's not NT saving Faith!

Could you explain how one specifically places their Faith in Jesus to receive His Spirit?

No such thing as "believing"! You've stumbled over the mistranslation! Good luck!

There you are! A work of Faith is what you said! What is that specific"work of Faith"?

No love for you? If I gave you A hundred thousand dollars you would see that as an act of love, right. What I'm giving you is worth more than all the money in the world. You and I, were not perfectors, we need to be perfected.

I know you wouldn't do this on purpose, but by attempting to submit your own life of obedience, your inadvertently saying Christ's completed, finished work on Calvary wasn't sufficient.

You just need to be aware that there has only been one who has submitted a life of obedience that had been acceptable. Your completely within your rights to choose to try and be the second one. I'm rooting for you.

Fulfilling correct NT Faith and faithing could result in an obedient act , such as seeming to obey a command of Christ. But if we are fulfilling NT Faith and faithing correctly, we will eventually receive the Spirit of Christ. At this point it wouldn't be us doing it ( obedient acts) but Christ...

Your correct VIC! The understanding of how Faith the noun is fulfilled through Faithing the verb has almost been earased from history. Reading your posts gives me a little hope that the true and intended understanding may still have a chance of being rediscovered. I'm wondering what you know...

But can obedience begin the salvation journey? The answer is no, so there's no Gospel to obey and no guarantee. Example: try sending Ford motor credit a car payment without ever making a contract to buy a car. They can't accept it! Neither will God. Your obedience is not worth enough to...

Remembering, that unless specified, the scriptures are only for those " in Christ". Can I test you and ask what qualified and qualifies you to be "in Christ"?

I see your OP as a perfect description of Satan's kingdoms here on Earth. The ones he tried to tempt Christ with. Nothing more.

What is the specific "self effort" your standing on?