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You have said nothing, answered nothing. That is not an explanation, nor is it a discussion, or of any edification. What are you even doing here?

John 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

A classic example of this Jewish ideal pre-existence taken right out of this Second Temple rabbinic commentary and used as a Biblical example concerns the tabernacle that Moses built in the wilderness. Moses was instructed to build the tabernacle according to a “pattern” that God showed him on...

Well, no, you just mentioned it and to "see" it. Which is a term I am not familiar with. But that is not what is occurring here... Why would I go look at the explanation of a manmade term, seeking men rather than God, when the question on the table can be answered with one word?

But the specifics of the question (above*) you didn't answer.

The above passages of scripture (Revelation 8,9, and 10) are commonly referred to as the events of the end times...and indeed they are. However, they are not the end of the end times, but rather something to be explained. The scriptures are written in many forms, but the general form that...

Revelation 8 New King James Version Seventh Seal: Prelude to the Seven Trumpets 8 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 Then another angel, having a golden...

I know this thread is about the Trinity...but again you return to that context, when the question that should be answered first, and that has been raised, is not whether or not there is a Trinity, but rather: *"What" is Jesus since it is written that He was before creation, shared the same...

I meant that your defense against the idea of a Trinity is getting in the way. So I agree. And it is obviously true--because you went straight to the Trinity and did not address the bulk of what I posted. That is, I only used the word Trinity to point out what you too have now stated--that we...

"Us" is assumed. But I submit that the "truck load" (that greater part) rests with those who do not see and do not hear and kill the prophets sent to them...for, “The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few." Matthew 9:37

That's good, and God has indeed intended to interact with us. However, that is not the end of the matter, just the means, and is therefore its own universe. As it is written, it just "the beginning."..."In the beginning." The end of the matter, is rather that we are first planted like seeds...

You are so fixated on the trinity here though, it would appear you are not thinking about anything else. There's more. It is not the "created" part that is of greatest significance, that is just the "means." The verb here is not the issue. It is rather who "became" (flesh) that was not flesh...

The key word here is He "became" flesh. Who became? Who can save? Who can anything?

In order to take on the sins and the curse of mankind God needed to be a man...which was created in the image of God. "Created." Even...and especially including Christ.

It is one thing to believe in Three persons, and quite another to believe in the fact that God has shown Himself by three faces (minimum), even introducing each differently while maintaining Oneness. I was not posting in support of a trinity or not, but pointing out rather that: Jesus being a...

The confusion is the component of Time. With mankind, in that timely perspective, this issue and question is an issue. But without that timely perspective, but rather from the timeless perspective of God who is the same within and also outside of Time--there is no issue. In fact everything...

Matthias, This is the point of confusion: That Jesus himself has a God. However, to take such a position is to forget just what it is that God has done. In other words, it is written, that "God spoke" and also that Jesus is the Word. To which I submit that God in the case of Christ was, as is...

I painted an overview, but let me say it plainly--this is what is written: "Gods spoke"...and we know that it was Jesus who spoke, for He is the Word.

You are not using your head. It is written, "In the beginning...God said..." That is, He spoke, meaning the Word spoke. Same same. And you speak against Him.