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For the elects sake, the great tribulation is shortened. If the great tribulation was not shortened no believer would be raptured alive. All would be dead and come out of their graves. Matthew 24 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this...

Oh boy. We must have different Bibles. Mine says at the gathering from heaven and earth which occurs at 6th seal the first ones gathered are the righteous. It is the unrighteous that are cast into the wrath of God after the righteous are gathered Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a...

Davy, If you understood the Word of God you would understand that the great tribulation is OVER at the sixth seal. And if you understood the word of God, you would understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and not the Church. And if you understood the Word of God...

If you think Jerusalem is Babylon, you are barking up the wrong tree. Let's put things in context. Here is what Jesus is talking about. When they see the abomination of desolation they are to immediately flee. If you have a baby how much harder is it to flee? That is why it is woe to them that...

I believe all eyes see the coming of the Lord at the 6th seal. Here's what happens at the 6th seal. This is why they hide in caves. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from...

The great tribulation is the 5th seal. Jesus returns IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION at the 6th seal. Jesus come for a harvest at the 6th seal, immediately after the tribulation. Wrath is the 7th seal. The kings of the earth are hiding because Jesus has returned at the 6th seal. They know...

Agreed. IF they are indeed about the same thing. It seems to me that you ignore the details and just lump things together because you can't see they are separate This is a harvest that occurs immediately after the great tribulation. This event occurs at the 6th seal. All go to heaven and are...

No problem here. And the tribulation is over before the 7th seal wrath of God begins.

Those of the 12 tribes that are sealed are already in heaven before the wrath of God. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Here we go again. I don't recall saying first fruits are gathered to the clouds. In Rev 14 Jesus comes first for the 144,000 first fruits. They are in heaven before throne. Revelation 14 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no...

The second coming occurs at the 6th seal. Here it is in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then...

It's sad that you don't understand that Israel will be regrafted when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

As I said, you have no understanding of what you are reading. Those 144,000 are sealed. That means they have been born again and believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Now back to the 6th seal. Jesus sends His angels for a harvest. When that harvest occurs, some come out of great tribulation. Those...

I was a post tribber because I saw a rapture at the 6th seal as it was marked by the coming of Jesus at the signs of the sun, moon and stars. However, I realized it was not the Church being raptured at the 6th seal. Those raptured are singing the song of Moses. There are two raptures as the fig...

Please. Those that come out of great tribulation are of the 12 tribes across the earth. If you understood Revelation 14 you would know that. The word baloney comes to mind. How quickly you forget the great multitude in heaven that are there for the marriage supper of the Lamb. You just...

Oh boy. Do you not understand that the 144,000 are the first fruits of a future harvest. If the first fruits are of the twelve tribes, the harvest is of the 12 tribes. You probably need a little wisdom. I don't think you can follow this, but I will give it a whirl. First off you say those...

And yet you still don't understand that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal and wrath of God is over at the end of the 7th seal. You still think that the tribulation and wrath of God are the same thing. They are not. Read your Bible. Again. Clueless. Have I said that the pretribulation...

This has nothing to do with the New Jerusalem. Nor am I saying it is the pretribulation rapture. You still can't figure out Rev 15:2-3 occurs at the 6th seal.......before the 7th seal is opened. You think this refers to the New Jerusalem and have no clue that the wrath of God has to take place...

Great. Yeah, you're right. Most people know that. I usually say the twelve tribes across the earth, to keep some from being confused and thinking they have gained some type of leverage. If I need to say, the twelve tribes across the earth for you so you understand I will try to keep that in...

Here is your post............deceived........adding to God's Word........while you claim to be rightly dividing. And you think because you posted the words rightly dividing that it's not a personal attack. Seems like more blindness. "The post above is an example of how the deceived allow men's...