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keras simply cannot show how the Father, the Throne upon which He sits, the four Living Creatures, and the 24 Elders, are suddenly, and inexplicably transported to the earth.​ Quote Marcus Both Ezekiel and Stephen saw God's throne while on the earth. As heaven is in a spiritual dimension, this...

Revelation 7 describes a scene entirely on earth. From 1-14 it will happen soon after the Sixth Seal devastation, Verses 15-17 are after the Millennium. Rev 19:1-8 describes the souls of the martyrs in heaven, allowed to praise God for taking vengeance on their killers. This is correct and you...

Your posts simply bear no relation to the subject. NONE of your quotes say anything about going to heaven. You and most rapture believers are so immersed in your theory, that you see rrrrapture everywhere. [that's how the false teacher John Hagee says it] This subject has been extensively...

If you want to get to heaven, the only way is to become a martyr for your faith in God. Their souls are kept under the Altar and they are allowed to give voice at times. Apparently being killed for God, isn't painful as we read in Foxe's Book of Martyrs. But living people don't get taken there...

Correct. All the righteous Christian believers are gathered into the holy Land, as prophesied many times in the OT. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Zechariah 10:8-10 +++ Revelation 19:1-8 is another time the souls of the martyred saints are allowed to give voice, the same...

Your unsupported opinion. I know there are chapters that 'flash back' to fill in details, etc. I specifically mean the Seals, trumpets and Bowls are in chronological order.

Is it so hard for you to see that NONE of the underlined quotes actually say what you think they prove? The whole rapture to heaven theory is constructed on theory, surmise and wishful thinking. Please quote a verse that says God will take His people to heaven. I can give you dozens saying how...

Good verses, Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. However not one of them actually says anyone will be raptured up to heaven. Not the Rev 6:15 covers EVERYONE on earth as experiencing the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath. It is the Day that 'will come like a...

I have to voice my appreciation on the pleasant tone of your recent posts. And I agree with most of what you say. About the only issue we may have, is where the righteous survivors are transported to at Jesus' Return. Matthew 24:31, ! Thess 4:17 I believe to Jerusalem. And, of course, the Wrath...

It is wrong and unnecessary to shuffle the sequence of Revelation.

The vast multitude of Rev 7 are those who have stood firm in their faith, thereby receiving God's protection, during the Sixth Seal; just happened worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. They are normal humans and it is at least 7+ years before Jesus Returns and they go with Him into the...

Here is more proof of how it is Christians who are the Israel of God. This truth simply wipes out the idea of the 'Church' going to heaven while ethnic Israel remains on earth. The dispensationalist explanation of the meaning of "The Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16 is contrary to Paul’s main...

What is not realized by most is the fact of the 144,000 were [will be] selected out of the 'vast multitude' of Rev 7:9. As stated those people are from every tribe, race, nation and language, God's people; the true Israelites of God, as we know from Galatians 3:26-29 and many other proofs of how...

Nowhere does the Bible say God will take live people to heaven TO LIVE THERE. John had a temporary visit only. Jesus will come to take His people to where He is; that will be on earth after His Return. The axiom is: When a Bible passage can be fulfilled literally then it isn't an allegory...

Yawn....we've been thru this before. NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY GOD WILL TAKE LIVE PEOPLE TO HEAVEN. You are the twister, per excellence, for your false beliefs. Fools say there won't be an explosion of the sun on the Lord's Day of fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis. A CME can and will...

Marcus said: Rather, I try to follow what the Bible says in a literal fashion when it comes to end-time prophecy. Quote Be good if you actually did that! Then you wouldn't believe in a pre wrath rapture, or any removal to heaven for believers. You would know and be prepared for the next...

Back to proving the rapture is unbiblical and total rubbish: Galatians 6:14-16 But far be it from me to boast, save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ…….all that counts is new [personal] creation. All who take this principal as their guide: peace and mercy be upon them, the Israel of God...

Sure He does, sending out His angels as per Matthew 24:31. Not to heaven but to where He is; in Jerusalem on earth. A nation that bears the proper fruit: Matthew 21:43 Who are the "legitimate heirs" of God's promises? They are people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, saved by...

This is correct, it is another description of the Sixth Seal event. As Psalm 11:4-6 says: The Lord is in His heavenly Temple, He will rain fiery coals upon the wicked........ But is nothing that even hints He will rapture His people at that time.

Rev 7:9-17 is all on earth. Proved by Rev 14:1 The 144,000 come out of the vast multitude as stated in Isaiah 66:19 Rev 19:1 is the souls of the martyred saints who asked for their vindication in the Fifth Seal and now praise God for His vengeance on their persecutors. Rev 19:6 are the same...