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  1. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Agreed. I hope you realize the OP is stating an observation and he does not personally believe the stated hypothetical.
  2. prism

    Saved to perish?

    They are both in agreement, but they were talking of different situations.
  3. prism

    Saved to perish?

    No I trust Jesus Christ.
  4. prism

    Saved to perish?

    We were talking about the Gospel as spelled out by Paul in 1Cor 11:1-4 and now you switched gears to Jesus speaking about the Great Trib. And now you say, "What you are saying is not correct as far as I can tell ". Adios amigo.
  5. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Do you turn every thread into a free-will (Arminian/Calvin) debate? No thanks.
  6. prism

    Saved to perish?

    We were referring to Paul in 1Cor 11 and you slipped in Jesus speaking to the Jews about the Tribulation, not the Gospel.
  7. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Let's not get into free will...For it is God who works in us both to will and do of His good pleasure.
  8. prism

    Saved to perish?

    But not with Paul?
  9. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Ok, so you are saying we must add 'our holding fast' to what Christ has done in order to be saved? IOW, faith in the Gospel.
  10. prism

    Saved to perish?

    I never claimed it to be the Gospel.
  11. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ...
  12. prism

    Saved to perish?

    The Gospel doesn't contain the word 'could'.
  13. prism

    Saved to perish?

    I'm working on it in my style, or are you going to gripe about my M.O.?
  14. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Interesting. These aren't to experience the 2nd death? Revelation 14:9-10 KJV [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of...
  15. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Not according my Bible.
  16. prism

    Saved to perish?

    It was a guess, if you noticed the question mark at the end.
  17. prism

    Saved to perish?

    I take it your not a fan of 'hell', torment, fire, and all that stuff for eternity?
  18. prism

    Saved to perish?

    So? it simply is not true and a little light on the matter never hurt.
  19. prism

    Saved to perish?

    That appears to be much of the advice/warnings I read here. As an overly obvious example..."Now that you are saved, you must pray and fast, otherwise, you may not make it to heaven."
  20. prism

    Saved to perish?

    Reading many posts here, this is what the Christian walk seems to boils down to. "Now that I have been saved from sin and hell, if I don't perform well enough, I am sinning and in danger of going to hell."