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You are attributing the 70 weeks to Israel and to the gentiles--but that is not what is written, but rather "70 weeks is appointed" for Daniel's people (Israel). But you have also not reconciled the 70 weeks with "a time, times, and half a time" which does include the gentiles.

I only acknowledge the words that are the acronym OSAS. Any other meaning would seem to be another issue...and Yes, a joke if one thinks they can stop believing. However, I would say, that is putting too much emphasis on the wrong thing. For instance: I personally never did "believe" per se...

So...you don't believe that the End of your sin issue, is Christ in you?

I acknowledge that 70 means 70. The problem is there is no "gap" in scripture. Daniel's prophecy states 62+7+1=70. No gap. A gap would indicate an error in what the angel told Daniel. 70 weeks does not mean 70 weeks + 2,000 plus years.

Of course all of what is written has meaning. I was referring to what is not written. I was referring to the three men who appeared to Abraham and Sarah in Genesis 18 when the Lord spoke with him and promised him a son. It is not written that they were manifest to him as children, but as "men."...

Many will and do say that salvation is a "process"...because it would appear that "God is not done with us yet." Nonetheless, in addition to saying what would appear to be describing a process, the scriptures also describe salvation as instantaneous, that anyone in Christ is "a new creation...

I did not suggest anything that is "not scriptural." So...what does it mean if the angels were manifest as grown men instantaneously, or over 6 days and on the seventh day they came to Abraham over time? It means nothing. Again, God can and has done what we would think is impossible--why is...

The house of Israel (those Paul was preaching to in the book of Hebrews) had a reason to "hold fast" to the idea of salvation coming--because their whole lives and that of all other previous generations were waiting and only looking forward to Messiah and salvation. Which is also true of anyone...

This encompasses much more, but does include it as well: Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains...

Because by the time the Holy Spirit began to be sent, "It is finished." In other words, when once the Holy Spirit has come to a person, the time of considering the good news of Christ, is over. During these times, it's take it or leave it. You can even spend the rest of your life himhawing...

People who believe the word of God, believe that He manifest angels appearing as grown men and not infants. Why is it so hard to believe that He did the same with the universe? He's God.

Do notice however, that those words were preached to the house of Israel (Hebrews), and not to the gentiles (who had no prior high priests).

Yes, and it is good to get back to the "oxymoron" of this created world, and the subject of the actual "reality" of God and His kingdom. In doing so, I would point out that in the words of Christ's prayer, "on earth as it is in heaven", "as" is key. In other words, it does not say "also"...thy...

Ferris, If one looks for afterbirth--they will indeed find it. But that is not where the new life resides. Is that birth not the "end" of what and who a newborn once lived? And whose hands is that new life really in? A Christian should know these things.

Thanks for being frank--we need that! However, you have indeed stated the crux of the problem...and the error. The very definition of salvation in Christ should be understood as including "coming to Him" and "Christ being the End." Salvation is given to Christ. All who come to Him are not...

Welcome Sue!

You are describing translation by ones own understanding and perception. That is not at all what I have been referring to, but rather what it is that God's servants the prophets were appointed to do, which is to hear and speak, adding nothing and taking nothing away. According to your response...

The confusion is that Once Saved "it is no longer they who live but Christ who lives in them", which some do not believe, and begin to accuse Christ in them to their own destruction.

Sorry I have not stayed current with your thread, but it does not appear that this has adequately been explained--that is, Joel's prophecy, referred to and announced by Christ, confirmed by Peter and fulfilled at Pentecost. Many without understanding have speculated that it is not yet fulfilled...

State anywhere it is written: 69+1 that actually shows a major gap of unknown time in between the 69th and 70th weeks.