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  1. Naomi25

    The Israel Of God Is The Church

    I suppose we’d slightly disagree in terminology here, rather than fact. I’d see scripture calling those in the OT ‘saved’ by faith ‘the elect’. That would include folks before Abraham, like Enoch, who ‘walked with God’. Abraham himself, who’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. And, of...
  2. Naomi25

    The Israel Of God Is The Church

    I had a lovely Christmas, thank you! I hope you had the same!
  3. Naomi25

    The Israel Of God Is The Church

    Oh, for goodness sakes, so outraged that you needed to bold it AND red highlight it? Did you hear me claim that National Israel ARE currently ‘called and chosen’? Nope. I said we “can’t count them out”. That specifically holds future connotations, in regards to a hoped for state or position...
  4. Naomi25

    The Israel Of God Is The Church

    See…I don’t have a problem with that. You want ‘eternal’…I say ‘eternity’. You want ‘physical, literal kingdom’…I say ‘eternity’. You say ‘in Jerusalem’…I say ‘How’s about the New Jerusalem?’ You say ‘the throne of King David’…I say ‘well…weren’t all those promises for ‘eternal thrones and...
  5. Naomi25

    The Israel Of God Is The Church

    I am not exactly an Amillennialist, but closest to being Amil, then any other end time position. And Replacement Theology is unbiblical. Romans 11 makes it untenable. Inclusion Theology, yes. Fulfilment Theology, yes. Replacement Theology, no. Do people just conveniently forget that the Church...
  6. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    No…it doesn’t make sense. It’s also sad. It’s like a freed slave wanting to go back into enslavement. Or someone who’s been cured of cancer to wish for that time when they had it and was simply pleased to sit in the diagnosis of it without pursuing the cure. Knowing what is wrong with the human...
  7. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    This is absolutely pointless. It’s not that I have “missed” it, I just think you’re wrong. And clearly you disagree with me. And no…having me read the KJV won’t magically make me see your POV. So, this is where I get off this merri-go-round. Cheers.
  8. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Disagree entirely with how you see and interpret that. But nothing I am likely to say will matter a jot to you, will it? So what is the point of me trying? I certainly have better things to do with my time.
  9. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Mark 2:27-28 And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.” Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These...
  10. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    You are so intent on dragging Matt 18 back to Daniel’s prophecy that you continually miss the obvious…the low hanging fruit, as it were. When we get to Matthew 18, what do we read: Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he...
  11. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Ok. Let me break this down for you in a way…hopefully, that you might understand. Sin is only against God, you say? The 10 Commandments were the ultimate in the old covenant, yes? We can say also that with perhaps the exception of keeping the Sabbath, all 9 of them still apply. And it was...
  12. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I am sorry. I am having a very hard time believing you are at all serious. You. Don’t. Care. How God chose to reveal his word to us. So. If God gives you poetry. You don’t care…you know better, you’ll take it literally. If God gives you prophecy. You don’t care…you know better, you’ll take it...
  13. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Have we not been over this before??? Matt 18:15 tells us that “if your brother sins against you…” Regardless if the translation you read says transgression, the greek is “hamartanó”….which is most often translated as “sin”. If “sin” could only…and was ever only of man against God…then the author...
  14. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    See this ^^^ right here? You’re aware the author of scripture is ultimately the Holy Spirit, right? Does it matter to you how he inspired the Word to be written? If that is still “of no matter to you” then you have much bigger problems than we are attempting to speak of on this thread…
  15. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Sir…if you find it troublesome to differentiate between a prophecy dealing with the sins of all mankind against God…and a parable Jesus is telling to illustrate to those around him how we ourselves ought to forgive others…then may I suggest you might find it helpful branching out into other...
  16. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Friend. I will not waste my time conversing with you on this matter, when everything I put forth is based on a bible version you dismiss as false. That gives you an illegitimate ‘excuse’ to wave away anything and everything I say from the get-go based solely on bible translation, without even...
  17. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I don’t suppose it is. However the facts remain the same. You claim a literal view of scripture. But demure under pressure about analogy and symbology, about how it’s ‘literal reading’ of the intended text. That, however, is not what ‘literal’ means. “Literal: taking words in their usual or...
  18. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Thank you. I appreciate someone who can admit it…shows character.
  19. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    This has nothing to do with what God may have revealed to you, “church-ianty” or how “tightly wrapped” I might be. Quoting yourself when just speaking your own words would have the same function, is the mark of either the arrogant or insane.
  20. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Ah. You’re one of those folks who believe only the KJV is the inerrant word of God. Which means any further reasoning with you is more or less pointless.