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  1. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I expect it to be all close together, yes. But…Matt 13 makes it sound like the unrighteous will be taken to judgement before any of the righteous…living or dead. And that is the opposite of many a narrative you hear these days, especially from those in the Dispensational camp… Leads you to...
  2. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I understand this is what Premillennialist believe. However, I do question whether a pre-understood doctrine has lead to eisegesis. Because…I ask, where in scripture do we find explicit statements telling us that we must regard the Kingdom in separate phases: that it willl first come in...
  3. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    Good, yes, but convicting. I know I certainly don’t have the sort of discipline a professional athlete does. And yet…Paul says we ought to… I am thankful God is Sovereign, and he is bigger than my failures.
  4. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    This is a fundamentally true statement…but is it what you were doing? Let’s have a little look-see at what you were claiming. You said: I said no, clearly he is not, but he does not have to be here physically to be ruling over his kingdom, considering what this verse says: Luke 17:20-21 Being...
  5. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    I think there is truth in this. Paul exhorts us to: 1 Corinthians 9:25-27 Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. But I discipline my body and keep it...
  6. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    So, while spirit and flesh are in reality two separate and literal things, here we are speaking of ‘the flesh’ as corruptive (sinful) influences…be it earthly or ingrained in some way. This, we can agree on!
  7. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I’m sorry. I thought you “didn’t debate” with filthy Amill’s like me. Have you changed your mind, or have I suddenly been elevated in your consideration?
  8. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    Mmmm. It may be that we’re fundamentally speaking of the same thing but just using different words…but…I think there is a slight difference. The reason we sin is not simply because our sinless spirit is caged within this sinful meatsuit. Speaking in a purely physiological sense, our brains are...
  9. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    I do understand the distinction between justification and sanctification. Both are essential understandings but fundamentally different. I confess I missed the first part of the conversation stunned by grace had, but was a little surprised by her summarisation of grace and mercy. Of course…it...
  10. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    With respect, I do not think this is how scripture portrays it, or how reality shows it. Romans 7:15-25 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no...
  11. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    :D That’s a rather bold claim to make in the face of such verses: Luke 17:20-21 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the...
  12. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    Forgive me….but are you perhaps claiming that in our justification we leave all sin behind…rather than having a ‘state’ of righteousness attributed to us? That is what it seems you are suggesting, but I think I must check, because I am often way wrong!
  13. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I absolutely agree. I think its right to long for his return, as every generation has…but to do newspaper exegesis and declare “we’re living in the generation” is erroneous. Only God knows.
  14. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    The problem with reading Rev 20 and insisting that the Great White Throne judgement is something that will only occur after a future period of a 1000 years, is that you’ve already made an assumption of what is meant by ‘1000 years’. Here’s some dot connecting that do not have to rely on...
  15. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I don’t see any conflict in the text, but it sitting rather neatly. “Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.” This tells us that Christ was the first to receive a resurrection body…which we know happened at his…unsurprisingly…resurrection and ascension to the...
  16. Naomi25

    The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

    God’s mercy and grace to those ‘found in Christ’ is called, in theological terms, “imputed righteousness”. It’s a core doctrine…fundamental to our understanding of our salvation. Romans 4:7-8 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed...
  17. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    People can…and do…believe all sorts of things. But…that is not what I asked. I asked if you could see what it was you were claiming IN the text in question. 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the...
  18. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I don’t believe in a Rapture to heaven either. But I do believe the bible speaks of the harpazo event, where we will “meet the Lord in the air”. However, just as most Dispensationalists assume within the text that this means we “keep going up” to heaven, when it just doesn’t say it, so too I’m...
  19. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    Wait….so…if 1 Cor 15 is AFTER the Millennium, then Christ has 3 comings? 4, if we believe in a pre-trib Rapture (which I don’t). With all due respect, how many differences can a person ‘see’ in what is only really described as a single return? There is nothing in any of these passages that give...
  20. Naomi25

    The Ones Who Are Left…

    I agree that OT passages leave a legitimate ? Regarding the Millennial period, but I must disagree with some of the things you see in the NT pointing to this period. 2 Peter 3 seems clear, I would think, about what happens when Christ returns: 2 Peter 3:7 But by the same word the heavens and...