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Physical death is what the OP and Hebrews 9 are talking about. Christ Himself "died once". Heb 9 24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 nor was it that He would offer Himself...

As for the OP - I don't know anything about the person being talked about. But sounds odd from the way it is reported. HOWEVER - as to the Bible doctrine on prophets. 1 Cor 12: 27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles...

Heaven sees that the Earth is nearing its end. Heaven sees that there are a great many groups on Earth today - great confusion, including a great many Christian denominations all contradicting each other. Heaven sees that in Revelation 14 - God gives one great last end-time-message before the...

Hebrews 9 "It is appointed unto man ONCE to die and then comes the judgment" -- No such thing as "change your mind after you die" Satan tell Eve "no, no that is all wrong - God is too loving to do that... don't worry"

True. But I was posting that in response to the "once a son always a son" language and "can't be un-son-ed" language. God did not say to Adam "I have to unson you before you can be lost and in need of salvation" did He? So it was "back-to-the-topic" in scope - I was not talking about God the...

In any case you should always express your views in a Christian spirit -- no name-calling no ad hominem etc. Because at the end of the day no matter what man bans you - you don't want God to also ban you. :)

BobRyan said: ↑ Adam is called "the son of God" in the Gospels. Luke 3:38. -- from the moment of his creation. But if Adam was never lost - then he never needed salvation, never needed a Savior. We are not talking about "what God knew" we are talking about "once a son always a son" - The...

True. Notice what the text says about making images and bowing down to them. Even hindus will argue that the images they make and bow down before - are merely representing the being they are adoring. The prayers to the dead that you find in Catholicism combined with bowing down before those...

Associating with other faith groups without being unchristian toward them - is always welcome.

Ecumenism is ONLY of value in the actual Bible -- when it is a case of people joining together by accepting more truth and rejecting more error. But today's ecumenism is a form of "embrace error as equivalent to truth, and downsize truth to being non-essential" which is the only path "back to...

It is true that the Protestant Reformers, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Baptist Confession of Faith -- pretty much all of Protestantism at the time - view the 17th chapter of Revelation as pointing to the Papacy, its historic teaching and actions.

1 Cor 15 refutes that idea. 2 Cor 5:1-10 also refutes it.

BobRyan said: ↑ Adam is called "the son of God" in the Gospels. Luke 3:38. -- from the moment of his creation. But if Adam was never lost - then he never needed salvation, never needed a Savior. We are not talking about "what God knew" we are talking about "once a son always a son" - The...

I find the arguments very helpful. I find the arguments that affirm OSAS helpful in that they approximate the best logic/rational/list-of-texts that can be found in favor of it. I find the texts from the Bible that refute OSAS very helpful because they are presented in the context of some of...

Interesting. I applaud your patience and devotion to the topic -- esp this thread. :) Adam is called "the son of God" in the Gospels. Luke 3:38. -- from the moment of his creation. But if Adam was never lost - then he never needed salvation, never needed a Savior.

But you are suggesting that it is at least "possible" that you might have read all 3200 posts!! I say you deserve some sort of t-shirt or ribbon or something along with "ByGrace" who it appears may also have read all 3200. I say that is quite an accomplishment. In addition to well-known-member...

Ok that is an interesting point that I missed the first time I read your post. I would like to have your take on the "circular discussion". Some folks step back and take in the whole picture and I find it helpful if they share from that POV.

Indeed long before my time here :)

Matthew 18 - Christ warns of "Forgiveness revoked" Ezek 18 - God warns of "forgiveness revoked" Jeremiah 18 - God informs us that all His promises are conditional Romans 11 -- "you stand only by your faith.. you should fear for if He did not spare them neither will He spare you.. to you God...

Post 3297?? seriously? Has anyone had time to read the first 3200 posts yet?