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  1. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Exactly! I forget where, but the Bible says something like, "even a fool need not err therein."
  2. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    But one can have the essential nature of God and a servant at the same time? God is spirit (John 4:24). Jesus is flesh (Luk 24:39). The two don't mix (John 3:6). Having God's spirit in Jesus did not make him God any more than Christ in us (Col 1:27) makes us Christ. It's still little 'ol me. I...
  3. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Very true! While I don't think anything you say is particularly wrong, you might want to do a word study of "godliness." It is used about 15 times I think. Strong's Concordance: G2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia (ef-se'-ɓei-a) n. 1. well-reverence. 2. devout reverence in attitude, conduct, and deed...
  4. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    I must say, you have a very unique view of things. :) I know you want to make Jesus God and that is the reason you say "morphe" in Phil 2:5-7 is concrete in nature. There is no other justification for doing that. The doctrine proceeds the scriptures. The scriptures must fit the doctrine. Sorry...
  5. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Well, this isn't the best venue for an extensive exposition of the scriptures. You wisely took the time to look at the context. Anybody could easily do the same for themselves. The main point was what the word "form" means. It means an outward appearance and I think 2 Tim 3:5 was sufficient to...
  6. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Gen 4:20-21, 20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and [of such as have] cattle. 21 And his brother's name [was] Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. Gen 17:4, As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a...
  7. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    An essence, the essence, same essence, whatever. The fact is there is nowhere in the scriptures that mentions oosia (essence) in the scriptures. But you can find it used in Plato's writings as well as other Greek philosophers. It'd be strange indeed if God had to rely on Greek philosophical...
  8. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    I think you may have misunderstood me. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Let me try again. Genesis 1 makes it clear that the seed of something, plant or animal, always produces offspring with the same nature as the parent. An apple seed will produce another apple tree. It won't produce an orange tree. A...
  9. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Good point. Thanks!
  10. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Gen 3:15, And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Given everything God said about seed in Genesis 1, Eve would have been clear that the promised seed would come via a human seed. Seed always...
  11. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    1 Chr 17:7a, 11 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David...And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go [to be] with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. God came from the...
  12. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Three is three and one is one. There is no equivalence whatsoever. The only way that one can be three is if we interject strange concepts such as "essence" into the equation. It took some 300 years to come up with that idea. Paul had no idea about God being an "essence." Essence is a thing. It...
  13. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    God is not a despot. He gave Adam and Eve dominion over the earth. Psalm 82 is a good place to start your research. In Job 1 we even see God negotiating with the devil! Of course God always makes the final decision, but He does consult with the heavenly host, the various spiritual beings He...
  14. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Is everyone who says, "I am" also God? Lots of folks said that.
  15. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    What was the Word (logos) before it became flesh? 1 Tim 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Virtually all Biblical...
  16. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    That pit image reminds me of an abandoned rock quarry we used to jump into when I was a kid. About a 60' jump into freezing water followed by a 30 minute climb back to the top. It's a wonder we all survived. Thanks for the memory. :) Scholars or not, there are several places in the scriptures...
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Very good. I especially liked what you said about ransom. God is the second Adam? I don't think so! Not even in the parking lot let alone the ballpark. :) If God was going to make everything right all by Himself, it begs the question of why did He wait for 4,000 years before doing so? A lot of...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Gnosticism may have begun in the 1st century, but it's alive and well today in the trinity as well as the dead don't really die, (they just "move" to a higher plane or something. Have to wonder why the...
  19. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Very thin evidence for the trinity. Virtually all scholars, trinitarians included, understand that Gen 1:26 refers to the Divine Council (angels, archangels, seraphim, etc). Plus verse 27 uses the singular noun for "created"
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Gnosticism comes to mind. They certainly had their "secrets" that also didn't make any sense.