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You probably missed my earlier response. This was answered in post #857.

So you understand that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. That's great. How is it that you do not understand who is raptured at the 6th seal? How is it that you do not understand the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened? How is it that you do not understand the Church is...

This is a great point. The pretribbers are in error thinking that the great tribulation is the wrath of God However, you are in error, thinking there is not a pre tribulation rapture. There are two raptures, one before the tribulation for the Church and one for the Jews that are grafted back...

So you understand that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. That's great. How is it that you do not understand who is raptured at the 6th seal? How is it that you do not understand the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened? How is it that you do not understand the Church is...

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I agree that 1 Corinthians 15 is post trib................pre wrath. However, 1 Thes 4 is pretrib. 1 Corinthians 15 happens at the last trump............blown on the feast of trumpets. 1 Thes 4 is at the trump of God or voice of God.

You probably missed my earlier response. This was answered in post #857.

First fruits are the first part of a harvest and is not the harvest Agreed Agreed The gathering in Matthew is the second coming but it is not when Christ returns on white horses. Jesus remains in the clouds for the harvest at the 6th seal. All return to heaven for the marriage supper...

When the dead in Christ rise, pretrib, they get new bodies then. As would the alive that remained. As I said, 1 Corinthians 15 is the rapture of Daniels people when many of the dead are raised...........sixth seal. They do get new bodies. You are drawing a wrong conclusion. When the dead in...

Exactly. When it is like the days of Lot the Son of man is revealed. This is the second coming that occurs at the 6th. All eyes will see the coming of the Lord. He will remain in clouds and send His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Ahhhhhhh............No. The Son of man will...

Sure. We know that the Last Trump spoken of in 1 Cor 15 has to be blown of the Feast of Trumpets. And there is a last trumpet blown by an angel at the end of wrath. So, sure, two works. Ahhhhhh.......No. The last trump blown in 1 Corinthians 15 is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. The trump of...

Most of those that understand there will be a rapture before the tribulation don't understand that there are two raputres. None. None. HOW MANY WICKED ARE GOING TO SURVIVE ARMAGEDDON? The Lord comes as a thief in the night. There will be sudden destruction. How is it that you do not...

Isaiah 46 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 2 Timothy 3...

First fruits and then they that are Christs at His coming. He comes for the Church first. Then there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribess Then they that are Christs at His coming at the 6th seal. Two harvests.....two raptures Then the Lord comes with the armies of heaven like a thief...

The sixth seal is not a preview of Revelation 19. The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus immediately after the tribulation of those days. Then the one year wrath of God begins. Jesus returns with the armies of heaven for Armageddon at the end of that year.

You are one of the few that I have come across that realizes that Jesus comes for the Jews. You also believe in a pretrib rapture. That's two raptures. The days of Noah is a picture of the rapture of the Church. Noah is in the ark before the flood. The days of Lot is a picture of the harvest...

The 6th seal is the second coming. Jesus remains in the clouds for a harvest. Hence the great multitude in Rev 7. After the marriage supper of the Lamb Jesus returns with the armies of heaven for Armageddon.

When I say the second coming, I am saying that Jesus comes and remains in the clouds. It is not the coming of Jesus with armies of heaven. Jesus comes at the 6th seal. It is a harvest. He comes for the Jews. It is the coming of Jesus in Rev 14. It is not the coming of Jesus in Rev 19.

I'm done for the night, at least until late. I want to rehash this with you.

It's ok if we don't agree. Most of pretrib TV world would agree with you. They think that tribulation and wrath are the same thing. They are not. The Great Tribulation of those days is what the Dragon will bring on believers if they don't take the mark. Wrath is the Day of the Lord, the one...