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If it wasn't for me, then what difference should it make if I believe it or not? Or if it was for me, what difference would it make? If that's the case, I would have no other choice but to believe?

Oh I'm quite familiar with John 10. Did it ever occur to you that the reason Jesus was saying these Metaphorical Statements was too Encourage people to become sheep? Otherwise, why bother? He was being Evangelistic.

Lol, so now " all" doesn't mean "all" and " men" means sheep. We raise sheep, BTW. I never call them " all men" because they would get very confused. :)

Nope. God could have used any girl. He could have had Jesus just appear on the earth also. None of this makes Mary sinless or perfect, or immaculate or any of the other nonsense Catholics dream up. She was just a person. She didn't save anyone. She does not contribute to anyone's salvation, and...

What makes you think I have any traditions? No one just read the bible and decides that "world" means "church". They have to be taught that by some person, not by the Word.

I'll go with the logical interpretation over your twisted one.

Nonsense. He always existed.

My mom was full of grace too. she wasn't sinless.

Hmm, if you call her the mother of your salvation you are giving her way more than honor as a good human. Only Jesus deserved that reverance.

Nothing in there about a sinless human.

That atheist better not dig too deep, he might find God in there. God doesn't care how he gets you. No one reads the Bible and decides to pray to Mary, though. They have to be taught that by human tradition.

[ I haven't quoted any human tradition, only Scripture.

Of course, but I believe Spirit inhabits God's Word. It's not an either/ or.

No I don't. Not in the sense that I mean.

As much as I disagree with Calvinists, I do not believe most are evil. I've worshipped with them. Luther wasn't much different than the Calvinists. I don't assume everything about any Catholics is wrong either. I'm not so sure about protestants ditching everything Catholic. The Methodists and...

Says you. Not only for us but for the whole world... you have to twist that verse into a pretzel to get it to say what you want it to. You are not very convincing. I'll stick with scripture.

That's nonsense. And repetitious. "God so loved believers so that whoever he causes to believe he gives eternal life?" That's not what it says.

Praying to anyone but God sounds like another gospel to me. It's what a lot of false religions do. They revere and pray to their ancestors. The natives believe that birds carry their ancestors spirits even.

The world is the church? Crazy!

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have...