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His sheep are all that choose to follow him.

For you definition to hold up, John’s usage must mean to compel or force. ” Kittel (the one-volume abridged edition of Kittel’s massive ten volume work) had to say on “draw,” The basic meaning is “to draw,” “tug,” or, in the case of persons, “compel.” It may be used for “to draw” to a place by...

Why? Isn't this a thread about Arminianism and Calvinism? And that's not a paradox, it's a direct contradiction.

Good for you, but what I said still stands: If everyone is already predestined, no one is lost. Lost Sheep? How can anyone be considered lost if they are predestined to go to heaven? Is there another option? Not in your theology!

Um, Jesus created everything and everyone. He is God, therefore in his pre-human form knew everything there is to know about everything. He doesn't have to indwell people to get that information.

Rev 1:22:Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month...

I wonder about that too. I love the sea, but we know there will be a river.

Did you go back and look? #489 wasn't even your post?

Where's it say that he impelled us? Arminians believe in prevenient grace, that God is in the process of drawing non-believers to himself. It is God’s drawing that enables the sinner to believe. We differ with Calvinists in that 1)We believe scripture teaches that God gives a measure of genuine...

Lol, this is hilarious! If I was destined for either heaven or destined to be passed by, I could never be considered lost. No one could. That's deterministic, no matter how you want to spin it. If I can't choose to receive God, why does he tell us we have to humble ourselves? A gift is not a...

People before Christ came were saved by faith in the promise, even back to Cain and Abel, they obeyed the light that they were given. People always use the man who never heard the gospel as an example, but how does this help your position? Did God just choose not to choose all those who never...

What I told you came directly from scripture. In John 10 those who enter through him listen to him and follow him are the sheep. They are not irresistibly caused to follow. As far as chosen before the foundation of the world: We are chosen "in Him." This phrase means that Christ was the chosen...

Of course an unsaved person can't please God unless he responds to God. Where's it say we can't respond to the Holy Spirit? Of course "Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God." But does that mean that God just gives up talking to them? Not in my experience! He isn't willing that any...

Yes, it's what has to be done to be saved. No hidden clauses, no secret will of God to actually damn you even though he promised to save those who do such things. No hand behind his back holding your doom while he pretends to love you. That's what individual election is about. A deceitful God.

That's exactly what you said. Go back and look.

Of course individual election is determinism. Can I change my destiny if I'm chosen for hell? You are maybe a bit more inconsistent than the hyper calvinist, but it's the same on the important stuff.. you just embrace even more contradictions. Like you can't choose your eternal destiny but you...

None of those verses tell us that anyone is unconditionally chosen. And you are cherry picking verses instead of reading the whole passage. Of course God has to convict us. Of course God will raise up his sheep on the last day, but who are his sheep? Those who listen and follow him... Those who...

I know what he said. But if only some selected people are going to be saved, which he never said, why would it matter If I believed it? This is irony of Calvinism, it makes everything pointless. Either you are chosen or you're not, according to you, so whatever happens happens. C'est la vie.

When I realized that the Earth is going to be remade it changed my view of heaven. Everything that you like best about Earth will be here, without all the bad stuff. But that's only the beginning. But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what...

Lol, there's always some "crisis". Not so long ago it was overpopulation. "While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease."