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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Your 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and indeterminate. But Scripture declares that "Seventy weeks are determined...". For 70 weeks to be determined, the 70th week cannot be decapitated, orphaned, and indeterminate. For 70 weeks to be determined, the 70th week must be contiguous with the...
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    I'm completely confident that every English Bible translator got it right.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    I directed your attention to this: "In the church, a separation, schism (eccl. Lat.), Vulg. Act. 21, 21; id. 2 Thes. 2, 3." Your claim that I directed your attention to this: discessĭo, ōnis, f. discedo. I. (Very rarely), a separation of married persons, Ter. And. 3, 3, 36; “of the people into...
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Thanks bro. I much appreciated your contribution relating to the early church.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Here is the elaboration on 2 Thes. 2:3 in the Wycliffe translation: 3 [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but dissension come first [For no but departing away, or dissension, shall come first], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition Note that dissension (consistent with...
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Do you mean baptismal regeneration?
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    OK. So that's not a rapture.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, what is the "something"?
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    I covered that in post 10. The Bible translations which it is claimed contain the dogma were all written by Reformers from the 14th to 17th centuries. No Reformer ever heard of a pretrib rapture. Suffering as they were under the apostate papal antichrist, they would have found the idea risibly...
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    I believe what the historic Christian Church unanimously believed. What do you believe?
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Whom to believe? 1. You 2. The historic Christian Church Need a hint? :laughing:
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    See Johann's excellent post 25 for the historic Christian Church's understanding.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Yes. And apostasia means "defection, revolt, apostasy...from the true religion".
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    You've confirmed that none of them considered apostasy to be the spatial departure of a rapture.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Yes, exactly what I've been saying.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    There was no debate before 1859.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Sure we will. I believe, consistent with my Bible, Strong, and 17 centuries of historic orthodox Christian doctrine, that apostasia means "defection, revolt, apostasy...from the true religion". Do you?
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    If I read my Bible and my truth disagrees with your truth, who's right?
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Yeah, further confirmation of the atonement clock. As Chris has said: "A final Jubilee week ending AD 34 saw the confirming of the covenant - the atoning work of Christ, his sacrifice and the founding of the Kingdom of God." Good stuff.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Thanks KUWN. So why was there no disagreement in historic orthodox Christian doctrine about the meaning of apostasia, for more than 17 centuries until 1859?
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