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Sad to say, so do many 'christians'. I remember back in the early days of the internet (circa 1995) the derogatory word was 'fundi', which caused many Christians to cower and retreat on the Christian IRC boards. All it was, was another name-calling tactic of the libs. Now, I wear the label with...

That's why... 1. We need the Holy Spirit to further enlighten us. 2. Scripture interprets Scripture (a built-in interpreter). 3. Both are needed for embracing Truth.

The Fundamentalism you are referring to was a reaction to the creeping liberal humanism coming into the Churches early in the 20th Century... https://www.theopedia.com/the-fundamentals I believe most all were correct. Today the term is confused with legalism or holy rollers swinging from...

Are you saying there is absolute truth, but no absolute interpretation? If so, how will you have truth without a 'true' interpretation of absolute truth?

This after you gave two posts of 'your' interpretation? God's Word is powerful and not dependent on the personality of the one who is teaching it. Actually it is when God comes to us in His Word and power that faith is born...as faith comes by hearing and hearing by God's Word. (Rom 10) Yes...

I know but my point to Soul Man was that they were still forgiven and washed clean of a guilty conscience because the Sacrifice that was to happen was credited to their account through faith/repentance. Otherwise how did David know about a washed and cleansed conscience?

Perhaps David was giving His expression from the deepest recessess of a repentant heart rather than a theological truth? Do you have any clear Scriptural evidence that the OT saints which were justified were not born again. I know we can draw deductive conclusions but there just seems to be...

Yes, and forgiveness comes only through the shed blood. Would you say therefore the OT saints were not forgiven because Jesus had not yet shed His Blood? I believe the work of Jesus transcends time whether it is in cleansing of sin or rebirthing. (I don't mean to be a stickler but want to look...

Ok, so all in all, I guess I am still no further in my (non) conviction that the OT saints we're or we're not born again. Like I said at the beginning, I tend not to believe they were, I just have no conclusive scriptural support...only inklings here and there.:oops:

Paul uses the term mystery referring to various things... Of Israel-Rom 11:25 Preaching of the Gospel Rom 16:25 Rapture 1Cor 15:51 His will in this dispensation Eph 1:9 The inclusion of the Gentiles Eph 3:5-9 Christ in us Col 1:27 and others. Paul may not use the term ’born again’ but the...

I realize we have oodles more revelation and even revelation of an eternal kind that the OT saints did not have, but still, does that preclude them from being regenerate?

I have leaned towards that view that the OT saints were not born again but have no concrete Scriptures stating so. Do you have any verses that clearly reveal that?

So you are going to tell me that the cries of David in the Psalms was only 'an outer relationship' with God, even after God said that David was a man after His own heart in Acts 13:22.

God is One...indivisible, undivided, otherwise we have three gods.

He didn't 1/2 2 He didn't 1/2 2 become 1 with us He didn't 1/2 2 walk with us He didn't 1/2 2 talk with us He didn't 1/2 2 promise us He didn't 1/2 2 plead with us He didn't 1/2 2 put up with us. He didn't 1/2 2 take our insults He didn't 1/2 2 take our sin He didn't 1/2 2 take...

(Rom 5:6) For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. (Rom 5:7) For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— (Rom 5:8) but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ...

Three points of interpretation included in the text.

@farouk FWIW, No.

I don't but it. Aramaic? We don't have those manuscripts, besides there is a world of difference between 'His good pleasure' and 'things we desire to do'. I'll go with the standard translation rather than the NNAR (New New Apostolic Reformation translation) AKA The Passion translation. LOL

Verses 12 and 13 should never be separated as it is all one thought. Verses are man's addition... Philippians 2:12-13 KJVS [12] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. [13]...