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See post #102.

Exactly! Jesus was perfectly willing to endue Judas with the same power from on high as he did all the others. What love! But it just stands to reason he'd have forgiven Judas considering he asked his Father to forgive the folks who hung him on the cross. In general, tradition really does go a...

Sorry. I wasn't avoiding your question. I'm just a bit overwhelmed here. Anyway, to answer your question as to what gifts Paul was talking about in 1 Cor 14:1, I'd have to say he wasn't talking about gifts at all. 1Cor 14:1, Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that...

Well if John 20:22 is when the apostles received holy spirit, poor Thomas missed out (John 20:24). I think Jesus was actually instructing the Apostles for what was to come, i.e., the actual baptism in holy spirit. Acts 2:33, Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received...

Honestly, I don't see why agreeing with the obvious meaning of 1 Corinthians 12:7-10 constitutes "word games" but that's just me. I respect that in your eyes I'm playing word games. But given you've replied more than once to my word games, I assume you are still wiling to hear what I say, be...

I was thinking of 1 Cor 12:7-10. Verse seven brings up the spiritual matter of manifestations and the next three verses lists the manifestations one of which is tongues. In the end, everything we have from God is a gift. I realize that. However one of the gifts God gave us is holy spirit. The...

We don't know if that preacher might be in even more trouble if he didn't speak in tongues. 1 Cor 13:1, Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. It says the person speaking without love becomes a...

Context, context, context!

I was thinking of this: Ps 12:6, The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. I think that with that has a ton of meaning. We ought to be careful what we call things. If God says something is a gift, then we ought to call it a gift. If...

Well, Google it, and you'll see that the Bible is really written at about a 6th grade reading level. Are all those sources insulting? I don't know...I don't think so. I think it's just stating a fact. Sorry if it offended you in any way. Like I said, it was certainly not my intention. Take...

Yes, but that is never God's intention. The fact is, it takes great humility to walk out in believing that you can speak in tongues, to believe God that if you move your tongue, your lips, your throat, He'll give you the words, words you yourself can not understand. 1 Cor 14:2, For he that...

Very true. Good point. That is why Paul gave very precise instructions on how the manifestations should be used in a church meeting. Our fellowship is always decent and in order. We usually have several people speak in tongues with interpretation. We also have many who prophecy, a message from...

I do. Often. Why? I like speaking the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:11). I like to magnify God (Acts 10:46). I like giving God thanks well (1 Cor 14:17). I like speaking mysteries with God (1 Cor 14:2). There's more, but just that ought to be enough to pique someone's interest. Of course to...

It wasn't meant to be an insult, just a fact. It is a very simple grammatical construction. That's all I was pointing out. I have little doubt you are intelligent enough to understand it. I just think you prefer tradition, which is your prerogative for sure. How did I not answer your question...

You are free to call tongues a gift when God calls them a manifestation. However, it is highly unlikely you will really understand the spiritual matters Paul mentioned in 1 Cor 12:1. For example, you will be unlikely to understand that tongues are in fact under the control of the individual...

Of course tongues are spiritual. That is why they are listed as part of the "spiritual matters" of 1 Cor 12:1. However it is clear that there are more spiritual matters than gifts talked about in the subsequent verses. To you tongues is a Gift. To God tongues is a manifestation. Don't you...

You mean the words that God purified 7 times? What a game player He must be in your eyes!

I'm pretty sure you are talking about 1 Corinthians 13:10, 1 Cor 13:10, But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. But verse 12 is highly relevent, 1 Cor 13:12, For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but...

Just a force? The force be with you? I think your reading a whole lot into what I say. But let's forget about what either you or I say and see what God says. Luke 24:49, And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power...

That's like the United States giving up its defense forces. Russia and China would love it! I wonder what would happen? I don't think the devil stopped seeking whom he may devour after the 1st century. A good look at the world today ought to prove that. He is winning largely because too many...