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  1. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Sort of yes and sort of no, but mostly no. In Genesis we see that man's body was "formed" from the dirt. We also see that man was "created" in the image of God. God is spirit, not dirt! In general, God knows the difference between "formed" and "created" and we ought to take them the way he...
  2. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Good question. Perhaps you are right. Like I said, I'm not completely sure about the greater works, but you make a good point. I was also thinking that the greater works could be leading a person dead in trespasses and sins into the new birth and eternal life on a perfect earth. Obviously...
  3. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I'm afraid you're not being as careful as you think. Let's look at 1 Cor 12:1-10. Verse 1 tells us that Paul is about to speak of "pneumatikos" which means "spiritual matters." So what are these spiritual matters? As you correctly pointed out, verse 4 speaks of gifts. However, that is not the...
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Indeed! A key to understanding 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 is that they are mostly talking about how to behave in a church meeting. Indeed, that is the context for most of 1 Corinthians. The Corinthians were really blowing it when they got together as a group, so Paul had to straighten them...
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Good call! You just opened another Biblical research project. Acts 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. gift here is the Greek word "dorea" in this...
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    It may come as somewhat of a surprise to most Christians to learn that the scriptures calls tongues a manifestation. In every English and Greek version of the scriptures that I know of, tongues is unambiguously called a manifestation. A manifestation is not the same thing as a gift. Regardless...
  7. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I may be a liar in your eyes. I appreciate your candor, though I don't see it the same way. But, all that aside, we're not talking about me. We are talking about people being created. Am I right on that part? Do you not see there is a difference between "created" and "formed?" God is not...
  8. Rich R

    Homosexuality Being Accepted And Embraced By Christians

    The only way someone can be offended by someone else is if they give that person the permission to do so.
  9. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Other than Adam, what other man was created? You weren't. You were born form Adam's seed. By the way, so was Jesus! Does not being created therefore make us all God?
  10. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    By what authority to you equate Jesus is the word in John 1:14? John 1:1? If so, then by what authority do you equate Jesus with the word in John 1:1? You can't assign one word for another in one verse by doing the same in some other verse. Was Jesus not a perfect image of God? Sure he was...
  11. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Admittedly, there are in fact some verses that could be taken in a Trinitarian way. Perhaps Titus 2:13 is an example. However, these verses can also be taken in a non-Trinitarian way. How to tell which is which? Compare these somewhat unclear verses with the many clear verses on the same...
  12. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    It seems that for Trinitarians history means nothing. But that doesn't change history! We have Philo to thank (more like blame) for "homoousiosm," without which the trinity would be seen for what it is; illogical, meaningless, nonsense. I think you already pointed out that Philo was a Jewish...
  13. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You make some good points and raise some interesting questions. While "pros" sometimes can be translated as "with," it's usual meaning indicates motion towards an object. It points to or refers to the object, in the case of John 1:1, it points to or refers to God. The Greek in John 1:1 is...
  14. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I don't think APAK or JohnPaul introduced Greek philosophy into the scriptures. That would actually have been the "church fathers," beginning with Philo, whose express aim was to harmonize the scriptures with Greek philosophy. All done quote some time before APAK or JohnPaul hit the scene...
  15. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, you still have the problem of someone being "with" someone makes two people, or in this case, two gods. Even Trinitarian scholars admit that is a huge problem. We also see Jesus talking to his Father, which again indicates two people, or in this case supposedly two gods. How to solve it...
  16. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    People can only go as far as they are taught. Trinitarians are taught a long standing, 2,000+ years which is hard for humans in our fallen world to shake. God certainly knows that and I don't see Trinitarians getting "punishment" per say, but I do think they miss our on the greatness of God for...
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You are correct in saying the word "word" is used in both John and Luke, but in both cases it's "word" (logos), not "Jesus." To get the Bible message we must read what's written, free from preconceptions that may not be scriptural. You can't arbitrarily assign a meaning of a word (in this case...
  18. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Good point. That's exactly what the heresy of Docetism says, i.e., Jesus only "appeared" to be human. He wasn't a "real" human." Docetism - Wikipedia
  19. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Not all unitarians think that John 1:1 says Jesus is, "a god." At least not me. According to Greek Grammar John 1:1c could be read to say that the "word" was God Himself ("...and the word was God"). Since we know from many other verses that only the Father is God, John 1:1 says nothing about...